Wednesday, March 26, 2008
FREEDOM OF RELIGION????
Police Call Church Music 'Disorderly'
By Fred Lucas
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
March 26, 2008
(CNSNews.com) - A Michigan church filed a federal lawsuit after police officers, led by a local prosecutor, entered the sanctuary at least twice without a warrant, alleging the church's music was too loud. In one instance, they threatened to arrest church musicians for disorderly conduct.
Faith Baptist Church, with a congregation of about 10,000 members, is suing local officials in the Township of Waterford, Mich., in a First Amendment case a church attorney said could have national ramifications in establishing what local governments can do in regulating churches.
The suit -- alleging the township violated the church's freedom of religious expression, freedom of speech and freedom of association -- was filed earlier this month in U.S. District Court in Detroit after the church had been subject to what it describes as raids by the Waterford Police Department, led by township prosecutor Walter Bedell.
At least one of those raids occurred during a Sunday service, according to the suit.
The church played contemporary Christian music that included guitars, drums, and other instruments. Township officials contend they were simply trying to enforce local noise laws and that the church is being a bad neighbor.
But "praise and worship" music is a form of religious expression, said Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, a public interest Christian law firm representing the church.
"This is subterfuge to try to interfere with religious exercise that Faith Baptist Church has," Thompson told Cybercast News Service. "The prosecutor and uniformed police officers violated their Fourth Amendment rights. They were not invited. They burst into the church. Unless they had an arrest warrant or a search warrant, they had no right to go there except for worship."
Bedell said the matter has nothing to do with religious expression. He said he has received more than 10 written complaints about the noise from the church.
"The whole issue is not with the type of music - it's the music and the volume, and people who are in their own homes trying to sleep, eat, and spend time with their children," Bedell told Cybercast News Service.
"I have no problem with music. I play the guitar myself. This is about the volume of music and people who were not able to live normal lives in their own home," he added.
The matter with police began during a Wednesday night youth service in October 2007 when uniformed police officers led by Bedell entered the church's sanctuary where the church's band was practicing, according to the lawsuit.
Bedell then ordered police to take down the names and addresses of all the people on the stage so they could be charged with disorderly conduct.
The following Sunday, Waterford Township Police returned, during an evening church service, the Thomas More Law Center said.
Officers were about to forcibly remove band members and order them to surrender their driver's licenses and personal information before an assistant pastor at the church volunteered to bring the musical band members to the police station to avoid an uproar in the congregation.
Faith Senior Pastor Jim Combs told the attorneys he was approached by other uniformed police officers who apologized but also said they had to follow orders from the local officials. Combs is deferring comment on the case to the law center, a church receptionist said Tuesday.
Attorneys for the township of Waterford are still working on a response to the lawsuit. But certain facts will likely be in dispute.
According to the plaintiff, Bedell told Combs on tape that the church was playing rock music and Bedell didn't consider that appropriate church music.
Bedell denies saying that.
Further, Township Supervisor Carl Solden said that police never entered the church during a service, only when the band was having a practice session.
"A neighbor complained, and the police department responded, as they do in all cases - it's a service organization," Solden told Cybercast News Service. "I can't imagine a church that didn't want to get along with its neighbors. I would think 'love thy neighbor' would enter into this somewhere."
Solden said the township only wanted the church to tone down their music. While he admitted there was consideration about charging church members with disorderly conduct, he stressed that action was never taken and that no church member was arrested or detained.
"It's uncanny that it would go this far," Solden said. "It's unfortunate because it could have been resolved."
"For them to say this was surprising is disingenuous," said Thompson. He further noted that the township's noise ordinance of no more than 70 decibels is rarely enforced and, if it were, would essentially outlaw lawnmowers and snow blowers.
By Fred Lucas
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
March 26, 2008
(CNSNews.com) - A Michigan church filed a federal lawsuit after police officers, led by a local prosecutor, entered the sanctuary at least twice without a warrant, alleging the church's music was too loud. In one instance, they threatened to arrest church musicians for disorderly conduct.
Faith Baptist Church, with a congregation of about 10,000 members, is suing local officials in the Township of Waterford, Mich., in a First Amendment case a church attorney said could have national ramifications in establishing what local governments can do in regulating churches.
The suit -- alleging the township violated the church's freedom of religious expression, freedom of speech and freedom of association -- was filed earlier this month in U.S. District Court in Detroit after the church had been subject to what it describes as raids by the Waterford Police Department, led by township prosecutor Walter Bedell.
At least one of those raids occurred during a Sunday service, according to the suit.
The church played contemporary Christian music that included guitars, drums, and other instruments. Township officials contend they were simply trying to enforce local noise laws and that the church is being a bad neighbor.
But "praise and worship" music is a form of religious expression, said Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, a public interest Christian law firm representing the church.
"This is subterfuge to try to interfere with religious exercise that Faith Baptist Church has," Thompson told Cybercast News Service. "The prosecutor and uniformed police officers violated their Fourth Amendment rights. They were not invited. They burst into the church. Unless they had an arrest warrant or a search warrant, they had no right to go there except for worship."
Bedell said the matter has nothing to do with religious expression. He said he has received more than 10 written complaints about the noise from the church.
"The whole issue is not with the type of music - it's the music and the volume, and people who are in their own homes trying to sleep, eat, and spend time with their children," Bedell told Cybercast News Service.
"I have no problem with music. I play the guitar myself. This is about the volume of music and people who were not able to live normal lives in their own home," he added.
The matter with police began during a Wednesday night youth service in October 2007 when uniformed police officers led by Bedell entered the church's sanctuary where the church's band was practicing, according to the lawsuit.
Bedell then ordered police to take down the names and addresses of all the people on the stage so they could be charged with disorderly conduct.
The following Sunday, Waterford Township Police returned, during an evening church service, the Thomas More Law Center said.
Officers were about to forcibly remove band members and order them to surrender their driver's licenses and personal information before an assistant pastor at the church volunteered to bring the musical band members to the police station to avoid an uproar in the congregation.
Faith Senior Pastor Jim Combs told the attorneys he was approached by other uniformed police officers who apologized but also said they had to follow orders from the local officials. Combs is deferring comment on the case to the law center, a church receptionist said Tuesday.
Attorneys for the township of Waterford are still working on a response to the lawsuit. But certain facts will likely be in dispute.
According to the plaintiff, Bedell told Combs on tape that the church was playing rock music and Bedell didn't consider that appropriate church music.
Bedell denies saying that.
Further, Township Supervisor Carl Solden said that police never entered the church during a service, only when the band was having a practice session.
"A neighbor complained, and the police department responded, as they do in all cases - it's a service organization," Solden told Cybercast News Service. "I can't imagine a church that didn't want to get along with its neighbors. I would think 'love thy neighbor' would enter into this somewhere."
Solden said the township only wanted the church to tone down their music. While he admitted there was consideration about charging church members with disorderly conduct, he stressed that action was never taken and that no church member was arrested or detained.
"It's uncanny that it would go this far," Solden said. "It's unfortunate because it could have been resolved."
"For them to say this was surprising is disingenuous," said Thompson. He further noted that the township's noise ordinance of no more than 70 decibels is rarely enforced and, if it were, would essentially outlaw lawnmowers and snow blowers.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
ARIZONA TWO STEP
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March 5, 2008
Policing for Profit and Political Gain
RICO laws shouldn't provide incentive to plunder
By Tim Keller
Arizona's racketeering or "RICO" laws generate millions of dollars each year for local police and prosecutors by allowing their offices to seize and keep money and property allegedly used in or generated by criminal activity. The RICO laws require prosecutors to meet only the most minuscule of legal burdens in court before being allowed to pocket the proceeds.
At one time plunder was buried, today it is used to buy political ads.Impartiality is central to the constitutional guarantee of due process. Giving law enforcement agencies a direct financial stake in the outcome of forfeiture proceedings makes them anything but impartial. Justice is best served when law enforcement professionals pursue criminals, not property and profit.
Here in Maricopa County, we've seen instances where public attorneys have used RICO money on slick brochures that prominently featured their names. And the Maricopa County Sheriff's office recently engaged in a bitter fight with the Pima County Attorney's office over who would prosecute a forfeiture case involving $30 million seized from an allegedly illegal gambling operation. The dispute arose because the prosecuting agency would pocket the money.
Representative Kyrsten Sinema has introduced HB 2547 to prohibit forfeiture funds from being "used for advertisements featuring the name or likeness of any public official." This is a good idea, but here's a better idea: Eliminate prosecutors' profit incentives by requiring that forfeited funds be deposited in a general fund subject to the appropriations process rather than in slush funds controlled by the seizing agency.
Tim Keller is the executive director of the Institute for Justice Arizona Chapter and the co-author of Policing and Prosecuting for Profit: Arizona's Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws Violate Basic Due Process Protections, a 2004 Goldwater Institute Policy Report.
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RICO laws shouldn't provide incentive to plunder
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Arizona's racketeering or "RICO" laws generate millions of dollars each year for local police and prosecutors by allowing their offices to seize and keep money and property allegedly used in or generated by criminal activity. The RICO laws require prosecutors to meet only the most minuscule of legal burdens in court before being allowed to pocket the proceeds.
At one time plunder was buried, today it is used to buy political ads.Impartiality is central to the constitutional guarantee of due process. Giving law enforcement agencies a direct financial stake in the outcome of forfeiture proceedings makes them anything but impartial. Justice is best served when law enforcement professionals pursue criminals, not property and profit.
Here in Maricopa County, we've seen instances where public attorneys have used RICO money on slick brochures that prominently featured their names. And the Maricopa County Sheriff's office recently engaged in a bitter fight with the Pima County Attorney's office over who would prosecute a forfeiture case involving $30 million seized from an allegedly illegal gambling operation. The dispute arose because the prosecuting agency would pocket the money.
Representative Kyrsten Sinema has introduced HB 2547 to prohibit forfeiture funds from being "used for advertisements featuring the name or likeness of any public official." This is a good idea, but here's a better idea: Eliminate prosecutors' profit incentives by requiring that forfeited funds be deposited in a general fund subject to the appropriations process rather than in slush funds controlled by the seizing agency.
Tim Keller is the executive director of the Institute for Justice Arizona Chapter and the co-author of Policing and Prosecuting for Profit: Arizona's Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws Violate Basic Due Process Protections, a 2004 Goldwater Institute Policy Report.
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ON WISCONSIN, ON WISCONSIN.....FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
The liberals and socialists don't always win.
Badger Backlash
by: Deborah Lambert, March 24, 2008
Wisconsin-based author/scholar/radio talker Charles Sykes reports that even at the liberal-left bastion known as the University of Wisconsin, students are refusing to be held hostage by the pc zealots.
One major breakthrough: conservative students and their moderate allies now hold a voting majority in the Student Senate.
Of course, hurdles still exist. Last year when conservative groups sponsored a visit by former terrorist Walid Shoebat to speak on �Why I Left Jihad,� the Muslim Student Association demanded that the event be canceled.
The administration eventually gave a green light to the event, but slapped a $2500 �security fee� on the sponsoring groups.
Not so fast, said the students. This sounds a lot like muzzling free speech to us.
Marquette University Law Professor Rick Esenberg agreed. He wrote that �the administration�s decision to charge conservatives an excessive fee was unconstitutional.�
While he acknowledged that a public university �may impose reasonable time, place and manner regulations, it does not get to engage in viewpoint discrimination� adding that �it can�t set fees based upon an assessment of the speaker�s views and the likely reaction to it.�
The university waived the fee.
Deborah Lambert writes the Squeaky Chalk column for Accuracy in Academia.
If you would like to comment on this article, please e-mail mal.kline@academia.org
Badger Backlash
by: Deborah Lambert, March 24, 2008
Wisconsin-based author/scholar/radio talker Charles Sykes reports that even at the liberal-left bastion known as the University of Wisconsin, students are refusing to be held hostage by the pc zealots.
One major breakthrough: conservative students and their moderate allies now hold a voting majority in the Student Senate.
Of course, hurdles still exist. Last year when conservative groups sponsored a visit by former terrorist Walid Shoebat to speak on �Why I Left Jihad,� the Muslim Student Association demanded that the event be canceled.
The administration eventually gave a green light to the event, but slapped a $2500 �security fee� on the sponsoring groups.
Not so fast, said the students. This sounds a lot like muzzling free speech to us.
Marquette University Law Professor Rick Esenberg agreed. He wrote that �the administration�s decision to charge conservatives an excessive fee was unconstitutional.�
While he acknowledged that a public university �may impose reasonable time, place and manner regulations, it does not get to engage in viewpoint discrimination� adding that �it can�t set fees based upon an assessment of the speaker�s views and the likely reaction to it.�
The university waived the fee.
Deborah Lambert writes the Squeaky Chalk column for Accuracy in Academia.
If you would like to comment on this article, please e-mail mal.kline@academia.org
Sunday, March 23, 2008
ONE OF MY FAVORITE AUTHORS
Book Review: What's So Great About Christianity by Dinesh D'Souza
by Patricia Mondore
What's So Great About ChristianityWith the recent onslaught of books written by atheists to attack Christianity, best selling author, Dinesh D'Souza has come back with a comprehensive response to them all in his newest book, What's So Great About Christianity And the rave reviews have been pouring in:
* "Dinesh you should be executed."
* "Go back to India you narrow-minded punk..."
* "...I want to punch him in the face."
* "Dinesh is far and away the dumbest human being on this planet."
* "Self-absorbed cretin."
* "...He is the quintessential little ugly deformed ...fascist nerd with a barren intellect and an even more [despicable] soul."
* "I hope you die..."
D'Souza's thoughtful response to some of these fans can be found on his blog, where he writes:
"A little secret about me: I enjoy this stuff. When I was editor of the Dartmouth Review we used to tell the deans that taking on our student newspaper was like wrestling with a pig: not only did it get everyone dirty, but the pig liked it!"1
So, what is it about Dinesh D'Souza that evokes such a passionate response from his critics? Anyone who has read his latest book, from either side of the atheist/theist debate, would understand these kinds of reactions. In fact, as D'Souza himself explains it, "It is impossible to remain neutral about these things."
In this 348-page response to the charges raised against Christianity, D'Souza takes on such current best sellers as God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, The End of Faith by Sam Harris, and God: The Failed Hypothesis by Victor J. Stenger (some of which sound much like the comments written above). And he does it superbly.
D'Souza starts each of the 26 chapters by stating the case for atheism - giving their arguments against Christianity in their own words. The book is divided into eight parts, as follows:
In the "Future of Christianity" he shows how, at least globally, Christianity is on the rise which is why it has come under attack by the "brights" or modern atheists who are committed to saving us "from our self delusions." In "Christianity and the West" he discusses this modern prejudice against Christianity that is the very root and foundation of Western civilization. In "Christianity and Science" he responds to the atheistic mantra that the two are incompatible. In fact, he shows how, on the contrary, modern science owes much of what it is today to its Christian roots. In "The Argument from Design," D'Souza discusses how the latest scientific findings support the case for the existence of God. One note of caution – some readers may be disappointed that D'Souza leaves the possibility of theistic evolution open even though he goes on to destroy the arguments for Darwinian evolution. Please don't dismiss this book based on that one point.
In "Christianity and Philosophy," D'Souza is at peek stride as he discusses several of the most widely used philosophical arguments including Kant's Enlightenment Fallacy, Pascal's wager, and Hume's case against miracles. It is noteworthy that he answers Hume using his own philosophy. He goes on to show how, based on reason alone, one can prove that the religious view is the right one. In "Christianity and Suffering," he responds to the moral arguments that Christianity is evil by showing how exaggeration and revisionism is used in the often touted inquisition, crusades, and Salem witch trials, and then goes on to show how it is atheism through which came many of the mass murders of history (i.e. Communist China, Communist Russia, and Nazi Germany). In "Christianity and Morality" D'Souza explains how "morality is both natural and universal. It is discoverable without religion yet its source is ultimately divine." He counters Marx's statement that "religion is the opium of the people" by claiming that atheism is the opiate of the morally corrupt because it frees people up to live any way they please.
In the last section, "Christianity and You," D'Souza seeks to personalizes the Christian faith and what it can mean to the individual reader. He describes the uniqueness of Christianity and that, unlike any other religion, it is not about man keeping a set of laws but of God coming down to man's level. He gives a clear gospel presentation explaining that salvation is not based on man working his way to God (he can't), but on accepting Christ's sacrifice by faith. He ends by addressing unbelievers with open minds by giving several ways Christianity can improve our lives and asks, "How can Christianity change your life?"
D'Souza, whose previous works include What's So Great About America, and Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader is a former White House domestic policy analyst, and is currently the Rishwain Research Scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He has been called one of the "top young public-policy makers in the country" by Investor's Business Daily, and "one of America's most influential conservative thinkers" by the New York Times Magazine.
I agree with Stanley Fish (author of How Milton Works) who wrote: "The great merit of this book is that it concedes nothing. Rather than engaging in the usual defensive ploys, D'Souza meets every anti-God argument head on and defeats it on its own terms. He subjects atheism and scientific materialism to sustained rigorous interrogation, and shows that their claims are empty and incoherent. Infinitely more sophisticated than the rants produced by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, What's So Great About Christianity leaves those atheist books in the dust."
by Patricia Mondore
What's So Great About ChristianityWith the recent onslaught of books written by atheists to attack Christianity, best selling author, Dinesh D'Souza has come back with a comprehensive response to them all in his newest book, What's So Great About Christianity And the rave reviews have been pouring in:
* "Dinesh you should be executed."
* "Go back to India you narrow-minded punk..."
* "...I want to punch him in the face."
* "Dinesh is far and away the dumbest human being on this planet."
* "Self-absorbed cretin."
* "...He is the quintessential little ugly deformed ...fascist nerd with a barren intellect and an even more [despicable] soul."
* "I hope you die..."
D'Souza's thoughtful response to some of these fans can be found on his blog, where he writes:
"A little secret about me: I enjoy this stuff. When I was editor of the Dartmouth Review we used to tell the deans that taking on our student newspaper was like wrestling with a pig: not only did it get everyone dirty, but the pig liked it!"1
So, what is it about Dinesh D'Souza that evokes such a passionate response from his critics? Anyone who has read his latest book, from either side of the atheist/theist debate, would understand these kinds of reactions. In fact, as D'Souza himself explains it, "It is impossible to remain neutral about these things."
In this 348-page response to the charges raised against Christianity, D'Souza takes on such current best sellers as God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, The End of Faith by Sam Harris, and God: The Failed Hypothesis by Victor J. Stenger (some of which sound much like the comments written above). And he does it superbly.
D'Souza starts each of the 26 chapters by stating the case for atheism - giving their arguments against Christianity in their own words. The book is divided into eight parts, as follows:
In the "Future of Christianity" he shows how, at least globally, Christianity is on the rise which is why it has come under attack by the "brights" or modern atheists who are committed to saving us "from our self delusions." In "Christianity and the West" he discusses this modern prejudice against Christianity that is the very root and foundation of Western civilization. In "Christianity and Science" he responds to the atheistic mantra that the two are incompatible. In fact, he shows how, on the contrary, modern science owes much of what it is today to its Christian roots. In "The Argument from Design," D'Souza discusses how the latest scientific findings support the case for the existence of God. One note of caution – some readers may be disappointed that D'Souza leaves the possibility of theistic evolution open even though he goes on to destroy the arguments for Darwinian evolution. Please don't dismiss this book based on that one point.
In "Christianity and Philosophy," D'Souza is at peek stride as he discusses several of the most widely used philosophical arguments including Kant's Enlightenment Fallacy, Pascal's wager, and Hume's case against miracles. It is noteworthy that he answers Hume using his own philosophy. He goes on to show how, based on reason alone, one can prove that the religious view is the right one. In "Christianity and Suffering," he responds to the moral arguments that Christianity is evil by showing how exaggeration and revisionism is used in the often touted inquisition, crusades, and Salem witch trials, and then goes on to show how it is atheism through which came many of the mass murders of history (i.e. Communist China, Communist Russia, and Nazi Germany). In "Christianity and Morality" D'Souza explains how "morality is both natural and universal. It is discoverable without religion yet its source is ultimately divine." He counters Marx's statement that "religion is the opium of the people" by claiming that atheism is the opiate of the morally corrupt because it frees people up to live any way they please.
In the last section, "Christianity and You," D'Souza seeks to personalizes the Christian faith and what it can mean to the individual reader. He describes the uniqueness of Christianity and that, unlike any other religion, it is not about man keeping a set of laws but of God coming down to man's level. He gives a clear gospel presentation explaining that salvation is not based on man working his way to God (he can't), but on accepting Christ's sacrifice by faith. He ends by addressing unbelievers with open minds by giving several ways Christianity can improve our lives and asks, "How can Christianity change your life?"
D'Souza, whose previous works include What's So Great About America, and Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader is a former White House domestic policy analyst, and is currently the Rishwain Research Scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He has been called one of the "top young public-policy makers in the country" by Investor's Business Daily, and "one of America's most influential conservative thinkers" by the New York Times Magazine.
I agree with Stanley Fish (author of How Milton Works) who wrote: "The great merit of this book is that it concedes nothing. Rather than engaging in the usual defensive ploys, D'Souza meets every anti-God argument head on and defeats it on its own terms. He subjects atheism and scientific materialism to sustained rigorous interrogation, and shows that their claims are empty and incoherent. Infinitely more sophisticated than the rants produced by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, What's So Great About Christianity leaves those atheist books in the dust."
AN EASTER GREETING
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Patriot Vol. 08 No. 12 Easter | 20 March 2008
THE FOUNDATION
“[R]eligion and virtue are the only foundations, not of republicanism and of all free government, but of social felicity under all government and in all the combinations of human society.” —John Adams (http://PatriotPost.US/fqd/)
PATRIOT PERSPECTIVE
Publisher’s Note
In observance of Good Friday and preparation for Resurrection Sunday, your Patriot editors and staff take leave from the rigors of news and policy analysis and the demands of our editorial deadlines in order to focus on an eternal message, indeed a Christian message. To our Patriot readers of faiths other than Christianity, we hope that this edition serves to deepen your understanding of our faith—and the faith of so many of our Founders. To all of our Patriot readers, we wish God’s blessing and peace upon you and your families. (As always, permission to forward or reprint is granted.)
IChThUS IMPRIMIS
“Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. But the angel answered and said to the women, ‘Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.’ So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.” —Matthew 28:1-9
“[I]f the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.” —Romans 8:11
EASTER MEDITATIONS
“The Son of God suffered unto the death, not that men might not suffer, but that their sufferings might be like His.” —George MacDonald
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” —C.S. Lewis
“You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing is worth dying for, when did this begin? Should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots of Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard round the world?” —Ronald Reagan (1964)
Real Audacity
By Mark Alexander
The first Easter was no holiday for those centrally involved in its events. Instead, the circumstances were a source of puzzlement and trial. The Romans were about their perfunctory business of cruelly oppressing the peoples they had conquered. Members of the priestly hierarchy of the Jews were ridding themselves of a threat that could disrupt their fragile truce with the Romans. High Priest Caiaphas was proclaiming, “It is expedient that one man should die for the people.”
Moreover, the followers of Jesus of Nazareth, fearing for their lives in the absence of their leader, were disbanding in the aftermath of a troubling Passover feast.
The conversations of the disciples on the road to Emmaus with a travel companion they did not recognize reflect the mood of those days, a time when the people served as their own chroniclers of the news. Cleophas described events surrounding the Crucifixion of Jesus, saying, “Are you the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have you not known the things which happened there in these days?... The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive. And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.” (Luke 24:18-24)
Those days were not so different from ours. Today, as we prepare to elect a new leader for our nation, we often mistake political action for true spirituality.
Our national political conversations are now addressing claims of “audacity” and what might be expected of a transcendent, revitalized unity of shared purpose in our country. However, relying on government as the pre-eminent earthly power to fix all worldly ills reveals a profound misunderstanding of what audacity really is.
Audacity is defined as “intrepid daring,” “originality,” “verve,” “reckless boldness,” “contempt of law, religion or decorum,” “bold or arrogant disregard of normal restraints,” and treated as synonymous with “temerity” as opposed to circumspection. All of these definitions of the word convey a challenge to existing authorities, not a submission to them or a parroting of their prejudices. But placing so much faith in politics and government is to obey conventional wisdom and existing elite powers, not to overturn them.
In contrast, consider the real audacity of Jesus through the Crucifixion and Resurrection—the empty cross, followed by the empty tomb. Consider the boldness of the belief that this Jesus was Lord and Creator of the universe because He was master of its material rules, that this Jesus was also the long awaited Messiah spoken of by the prophets.
The misunderstandings Christ overturned were about recognizing the spiritual realm as supreme over the physical world. This was about subordinating human will to God’s will.
When Jesus confronted Pilate, however, He offered no challenge to the representative of Roman imperial government. This was, in fact, speaking truth to power. “My kingdom is not of this world,” Jesus explained. “If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” (John 18:36)
Yet, a ragtag band of disciples, those who had fled when the Romans crucified Jesus, so extended their outreach that in a little less than 300 years, the “People of the Way” overcame history’s greatest empire, armed only with the power of the Resurrection story and the might of the Holy Spirit.
Christians hold that the only power that could have transformed those timid disciples into fearless martyrs capable of the peaceful conquest of the most powerful government in the world was Jesus, the foretold Messiah, who rose from the dead. The evidence demonstrating the Resurrection is as compelling as any historical record can be. Eyewitnesses saw the Risen Christ Jesus, touched Him and ate meals with Him. Five independent accounts from the Bible affirm the Resurrection. And then there were the empty grave clothes, the broken Roman seal, the large stone moved and the Roman guards who fled the empty tomb under penalty of death.
What can we say, then, of our not having even now learned the lessons of Easter and of our continuing confusion over the proper priorities in our spiritual and material lives?
For those of us who are Christians, the answer is to recognize the transcendence of the Resurrection, pointing us back toward the empty tomb. None of the powers of government could hold back the Risen Lord, or His work in the lives of individuals who freely embraced his eternal supremacy. That’s real audacity.
Veritas vos Liberabit—Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis! Mark Alexander, Publisher, for The Patriot’s editors and staff. (Please pray for our Patriot Armed Forces standing in harm’s way around the world, and for their families—especially families of those fallen Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen, who granted their lives in defense of American liberty.)
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Patriot Vol. 08 No. 12 Easter | 20 March 2008
THE FOUNDATION
“[R]eligion and virtue are the only foundations, not of republicanism and of all free government, but of social felicity under all government and in all the combinations of human society.” —John Adams (http://PatriotPost.US/fqd/)
PATRIOT PERSPECTIVE
Publisher’s Note
In observance of Good Friday and preparation for Resurrection Sunday, your Patriot editors and staff take leave from the rigors of news and policy analysis and the demands of our editorial deadlines in order to focus on an eternal message, indeed a Christian message. To our Patriot readers of faiths other than Christianity, we hope that this edition serves to deepen your understanding of our faith—and the faith of so many of our Founders. To all of our Patriot readers, we wish God’s blessing and peace upon you and your families. (As always, permission to forward or reprint is granted.)
IChThUS IMPRIMIS
“Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. But the angel answered and said to the women, ‘Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.’ So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.” —Matthew 28:1-9
“[I]f the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.” —Romans 8:11
EASTER MEDITATIONS
“The Son of God suffered unto the death, not that men might not suffer, but that their sufferings might be like His.” —George MacDonald
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” —C.S. Lewis
“You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing is worth dying for, when did this begin? Should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots of Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard round the world?” —Ronald Reagan (1964)
Real Audacity
By Mark Alexander
The first Easter was no holiday for those centrally involved in its events. Instead, the circumstances were a source of puzzlement and trial. The Romans were about their perfunctory business of cruelly oppressing the peoples they had conquered. Members of the priestly hierarchy of the Jews were ridding themselves of a threat that could disrupt their fragile truce with the Romans. High Priest Caiaphas was proclaiming, “It is expedient that one man should die for the people.”
Moreover, the followers of Jesus of Nazareth, fearing for their lives in the absence of their leader, were disbanding in the aftermath of a troubling Passover feast.
The conversations of the disciples on the road to Emmaus with a travel companion they did not recognize reflect the mood of those days, a time when the people served as their own chroniclers of the news. Cleophas described events surrounding the Crucifixion of Jesus, saying, “Are you the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have you not known the things which happened there in these days?... The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive. And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.” (Luke 24:18-24)
Those days were not so different from ours. Today, as we prepare to elect a new leader for our nation, we often mistake political action for true spirituality.
Our national political conversations are now addressing claims of “audacity” and what might be expected of a transcendent, revitalized unity of shared purpose in our country. However, relying on government as the pre-eminent earthly power to fix all worldly ills reveals a profound misunderstanding of what audacity really is.
Audacity is defined as “intrepid daring,” “originality,” “verve,” “reckless boldness,” “contempt of law, religion or decorum,” “bold or arrogant disregard of normal restraints,” and treated as synonymous with “temerity” as opposed to circumspection. All of these definitions of the word convey a challenge to existing authorities, not a submission to them or a parroting of their prejudices. But placing so much faith in politics and government is to obey conventional wisdom and existing elite powers, not to overturn them.
In contrast, consider the real audacity of Jesus through the Crucifixion and Resurrection—the empty cross, followed by the empty tomb. Consider the boldness of the belief that this Jesus was Lord and Creator of the universe because He was master of its material rules, that this Jesus was also the long awaited Messiah spoken of by the prophets.
The misunderstandings Christ overturned were about recognizing the spiritual realm as supreme over the physical world. This was about subordinating human will to God’s will.
When Jesus confronted Pilate, however, He offered no challenge to the representative of Roman imperial government. This was, in fact, speaking truth to power. “My kingdom is not of this world,” Jesus explained. “If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” (John 18:36)
Yet, a ragtag band of disciples, those who had fled when the Romans crucified Jesus, so extended their outreach that in a little less than 300 years, the “People of the Way” overcame history’s greatest empire, armed only with the power of the Resurrection story and the might of the Holy Spirit.
Christians hold that the only power that could have transformed those timid disciples into fearless martyrs capable of the peaceful conquest of the most powerful government in the world was Jesus, the foretold Messiah, who rose from the dead. The evidence demonstrating the Resurrection is as compelling as any historical record can be. Eyewitnesses saw the Risen Christ Jesus, touched Him and ate meals with Him. Five independent accounts from the Bible affirm the Resurrection. And then there were the empty grave clothes, the broken Roman seal, the large stone moved and the Roman guards who fled the empty tomb under penalty of death.
What can we say, then, of our not having even now learned the lessons of Easter and of our continuing confusion over the proper priorities in our spiritual and material lives?
For those of us who are Christians, the answer is to recognize the transcendence of the Resurrection, pointing us back toward the empty tomb. None of the powers of government could hold back the Risen Lord, or His work in the lives of individuals who freely embraced his eternal supremacy. That’s real audacity.
Veritas vos Liberabit—Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus, et Fidelis! Mark Alexander, Publisher, for The Patriot’s editors and staff. (Please pray for our Patriot Armed Forces standing in harm’s way around the world, and for their families—especially families of those fallen Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen, who granted their lives in defense of American liberty.)
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Saturday, March 22, 2008
LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN
The following was lifted from an for Human Events magazine. I hope that they don't mind.
Keep in mind, all of these revelations appeared in HUMAN EVENTS, but were virtually ignored by the regular media...
* True or False: "The GOP is the party of Big Business." (Answer: false. Fortune 500 now give more money to the Left by a factor of 14.5 to 1)
* Exposed: the Hollywood hypocrites who drive most of the way in from Malibu in Lincoln Navigators … but arrive on camera at the Academy Awards in hybrid, eco-friendly Priuses
* 45% of British Muslims believe the U.S. and Israel planned the 9/11 attacks. (This clearly does not square with the media view of Islam as a gentle, rational faith.)
* Liberals claim that "political correctness" on campus a figment of conservatives' imagination - but a recent national survey found that Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 3 to 1 in economics, 28 to 1 in sociology, and 30 to 1 in anthropology
* American companies recently did $1 billion worth of direct business with Cuba. (This story gets no play because the press want you believe a "cruel U.S. business embargo" is the cause of Cuban poverty.)
* The segment of the American public most devoted to unlimited abortion rights is young women, right? Wrong. Surveys reveal that young single men aged 18 to 34 favor unlimited abortion more than any other segment
* "Sharia Chic" - how the European fashion industry is featuring outfits inspired by Islamic dress, including clothing worn by jihadists, to rich fashion-conscious Westerners
* High energy prices are NOT all bad. (For the first time in 15 years, the number of new U.S. oil wells drilled tops the 1,000 mark -- and exploration is up 35% over last year.)
* The Kyoto Treaty can't alter climate -- period. (That's what treaty backers admit. Nevertheless, the global press bends over backwards to cover this up.)
* The North Korean missile launch was helpful -- for Red China. (Chinese military leaders got a detailed look at U.S. missile defenses -- sea, air and land-based detection systems and frequencies used.)
* Since 9/11, Islamic jihadists have perpetrated not 500, not 2,500, but more than 5,000 terror attacks. (Liberals hush-up this number, claiming the truth would provoke "reprisals" by "violent" Americans against "peaceful" Muslims.)
Now, does all this make you feel as if the real "endangered species" these days are truth and common sense?
Good! That tells me HUMAN EVENTS will be a welcome breath of fresh air for you. And that you
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Friday, March 21, 2008
Your tax dollars at work
When Birds Attack
Episode Number: 2028
Publication Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
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Categories: Government Gone Wild!
If you’ve never seen Hitchcock’s The Birds, you’ve probably seen a few chilling out-takes. People running. Birds swooping. People screaming. Glass shattering.
Could the scenario be even scarier? Well, yes: if, say, it were illegal for the victims to defend themselves.
This is not a movie remake. That’s what the beleaguered citizens of Bartow are currently facing. This is a small town outside of Orlando — a quiet community says the Orlando Sentinel. Well, except for the screaming.
Migrating turkey vultures have turned into quite a nuisance there. They rip shingles off roofs. They chew rubber from car windows. First pecking a little. Then a lot.
And the people? Screams. Of frustration.
They’re not allowed to do much about this. They may blow a shrill whistle to try to scare off the vultures, or tactically position stuffed toys that resemble dead vultures. But the beleaguered residents may not kill or even capture the birds.
The birds are protected by the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Apparently we’ve signed an agreement with the birds which makes it a criminal offense for anybody to ruffle their feathers. Too bad such well-meaning edicts don’t also make it illegal for birds to harass innocent villagers.
Once again we see the tyranny of well-meaning politics, un-tethered by even the tiniest amount of thought about the consequences.
This is Common Sense. I’m Paul Jacob.
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Friday, February 22, 2008
ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
This is for those modern day "liberals"/atheists/left wing nuts, etc etc who want us all to to believe that this nation was not "founded under God" by Christians. Revisionists is another word that fits those who would deny and denigrate our history.
This Nation was founded under God/Divine Creator by men who were primarily Christians.
They were true liberals in that they upset some very conservative apple carts. I look upon the modern day Conservatives as the champions and protectors of what those brave men brought about at the risk of their lives, liberty and property. Had they lost we might very well still be speaking The King's English. But they could not lose because they were a unique group of individuals and intellectuals meeting at the right time in history and the right place on Planet Earth. Never before, and never since, that time have those very propitious circumstances taken place. Just as Planet Earth was not created by pure dumb chance, neither was this great nation of ours. God, the Divine Creator of us all, played the dominant role.
Todays 'liberals', with their roots in the 1930's world events and history, would destroy that which was wrought on the shores of this nation. Bought and paid for by the blood, sweat, tears, toil and deaths of good honest American patriots.
The Declaration of Independence
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:
Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton
Religious Affiliation of the
Founding Fathers
of the United States of America
Related Pages:
- Religious Affiliation of First U.S. Congress
- Religious Affiliation of the Modern U.S. Congress
- Religious Affiliation of U.S. Presidents
- Religious Affiliation of the U.S. Supreme Court
On this Page:
- signers of the Declaration of Independence
- signers of the Articles of Confederation
- Constitutional Convention delegates including signers of the U.S. Constitution
Ennumerating the Founding Fathers
The three major foundational documents of the United States of America are the Declaration of Independence (July 1776), the Articles of Confederation (drafted 1777, ratified 1781) and the Constitution of the United States of America (1789). There are a total of 143 signatures on these documents, representing 118 different signers. (Some individuals signed more than one document.)
There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. There were 48 signers of the Articles of Confederation. All 55 delegates who participated in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are regarded as Founding Fathers, in fact, they are often regarded as the Founding Fathers because it is this group that actually debated, drafted and signed the U.S. Constitution, which is the basis for the country's political and legal system. Only 39 delegates actually signed the document, however, meaning there were 16 non-signing delegates - individuals who were Constitutional Convention delegates but were not signers of the Constitution.
There were 95 Senators and Representatives in the First Federal Congress. If one combines the total number of signatures on the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution with the non-signing Constitutional Convention delegates, and then adds to that sum the number of congressmen in the First Federal Congress, one obtains a total of 238 "slots" or "positions" in these groups which one can classify as "Founding Fathers" of the United States. Because 40 individuals had multiple roles (they signed multiple documents and/or also served in the First Federal Congress), there are 204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following:
- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress
The religious affiliations of these individuals are summarized below. Obviously this is a very restrictive set of names, and does not include everyone who could be considered an "American Founding Father." But most of the major figures that people generally think of in this context are included using these criteria, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and more.
Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204
NOTES: The table above counts people and not "roles," meaning that individuals have not been counted multiple times if they appear on more than one of the lists above. Roger Sherman, for example, signed all three foundational documents and he was a Representative in the First Federal Congress, but he has been counted only once.
In the table above, some people have been counted more than once because they changed religious affiliation from one denomination to another. Thus, the individual amounts added together total more than 100%. This method is used because it results in accurate numbers for each individual religious affiliation. For example, a total of 7 Quakers are shown in the table above. There were indeed 7 Quakers who were in this group. (However, not all of these were life-long Quakers.) For the most part, very few Founding Fathers switched denomination during their lifetime (less than 8%), so double-counting has occurred only rarely in this table. Quakers, in fact, are more likely to have switched denominations than members of any other religious denomination. Along with taking up arms and supporting military action against the British, a large proportion of Quaker Founding Father officially renounced or were expelled from the ardently pacifistic denomination they had been raised in and joined another denomination (usually Episcopalianism).
Also, note that the proportions shown (percentage of each religious affiliation out of the total group of Founding Fathers) is the proportion out of Founders whose religious affiliation is known. The religious affiliation of a significant number of signers of the Articles of Confederation is not known, but if that information was available, it is expected that such information would not change the overall proportions signifcantly.
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Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the
Declaration of Independence
Religious Affiliation # of
signers % of
signers
Episcopalian/Anglican 32 57.1%
Congregationalist 13 23.2%
Presbyterian 12 21.4%
Quaker 2 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist 2 3.6%
Catholic 1 1.8%
TOTAL 56 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic
Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist
Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton Georgia Episcopalian
John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
George Ross Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton South Carolina Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
George Read Delaware Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney Delaware Episcopalian
Samuel Chase Maryland Episcopalian
William Paca Maryland Episcopalian
Thomas Stone Maryland Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson New Jersey Episcopalian
Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
Lewis Morris New York Episcopalian
William Hooper North Carolina Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
John Morton Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins Rhode Island Episcopalian
Carter Braxton Virginia Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison Virginia Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett Georgia Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes North Carolina Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton New Hampshire Presbyterian
Abraham Clark New Jersey Presbyterian
John Hart New Jersey Presbyterian
Richard Stockton New Jersey Presbyterian
John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
William Floyd New York Presbyterian
Philip Livingston New York Presbyterian
James Smith Pennsylvania Presbyterian
George Taylor Pennsylvania Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush Pennsylvania Presbyterian
The signers of the Declaration of Independence were a profoundly intelligent, religious and ethically-minded group. Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen. Other professions held by signers include lawyers, merchants, doctors and educators. These individuals, too, were for the most part active churchgoers and many contributed significantly to their churches both with contributions as well as their service as lay leaders. The signers were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s.
These signers have long inspired deep admiration among both secularists (who appreciate the non-denominational nature of the Declaration) and by traditional religionists (who appreciate the Declaration's recognition of God as the source of the rights enumerated by the document). Lossing's seminal 1848 collection of biographies of the signers of the Declaration of Independence echoed widely held sentiments held then and now that there was divine intent or inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence. Lossing matter-of-factly identified the signers as "instruments of Providence" who have "gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land."
From: B. J. Lossing, Signers of the Declaration of Independence, George F. Cooledge & Brother: New York (1848) [reprinted in Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence, WallBuilder Press: Aledo, Texas (1995)], pages 7-12:
From no point of view can the Declaration of American Independence, the causes which led to its adoption, and the events which marked its maintenance, be observed without exciting sentiments of profound veneration for the men who were the prominent actors in that remarkable scene in the drama of the world's history...
The signing of that instrument was a solemn act, and required great firmness and patriotism in those who committed it... neither firmness nor patriotism was wanting in that august body...
Such were the men unto whose keeping, as instruments of Providence, the destinies of America were for the time intrusted; and it has been well remarked, that men, other than such as these,--an ignorant, untaught mass, like those who have formed the physical elements of other revolutionary movements, without sufficient intellect to guide and control them--could not have conceived, planned, and carried into execution, such a mighty movement, one so fraught with tangible marks of political wisdom, as the American Revolution...
Their bodies now have all returned to their kindred dust in the grave, and their souls have gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land.
From: Robert G. Ferris (editor), Signers of the Declaration: Historic Places Commemorating the Signing of the Declaration of Independence, published by the United States Department of the Interior, National Park Service: Washington, D.C. (revised edition 1975), pages 27-28:
Liberally endowed as a whole with courage and sense of purpose, the signers [of the Declaration of Independence] consisted of a distinguished group of individuals. Although heterogeneous in background, education, experience, and accommplishments, at the time of the signing they were practically all men of means and represented an elite cross section of 18th-century American leadership. Everyone one of them of them had achieved prominence in his colony, but only a few enjoyed a national reputation.
The signers were those individuals who happened to be Delegates to Congress at the time... The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin. The eight foreign-born... were all natives of the British Isles. Except for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism. For the most part basically political nonextremists, many at first had hesitated at separation let alone rebellion.
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Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the
Articles of Confederation
Religious Affiliation # of
signers % of
signers
Episcopalian/Anglican 14 29%
Congregationalist 9 19%
Presbyterian 4 8%
Catholic 1 2%
Quaker 1 2%
Huguenot 1 2%
Lutheran 1 2%
Protestant, denomination unknown 18 38%
TOTAL 48 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Daniel Carroll Maryland Catholic
Andrew Adams Connecticut Congregationalist
Richard Hutson South Carolina Congregationalist
Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
John Banister Virginia Episcopalian
James Duane New York Episcopalian
Edward Langworthy Georgia Episcopalian
Gouverneur Morris New York Episcopalian
Nicholas Van Dyke Delaware Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Cornelius Harnett North Carolina Episcopalian (Deist)
John Dickinson Delaware Quaker; Episcopalian
Henry Laurens South Carolina Huguenot
John Hanson Maryland Lutheran
Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
John Walton Georgia Presbyterian
Nathaniel Scudder New Jersey Presbyterian
William Clingan Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Joseph Reed Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Daniel Roberdeau Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Jonathan Bayard Smith Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Francis Dana Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
Samuel Holten Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
James Lovell Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
Henry Marchant Rhode Island Protestant, denomination unknown
John Collins Rhode Island Protestant, denomination unknown
Thomas Adams Virginia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Harvie Virginia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Mathews South Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
William Henry Drayton South Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
William Duer New York Protestant, denomination unknown
Titus Hosmer Connecticut Protestant, denomination unknown
Edward Telfair Georgia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Wentworth Jr. New Hampshire Protestant, denomination unknown
John Williams North Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
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Religious Affiliation of the Delegates to the
Constitutional Convention of 1787, including the
Signers of the Constitution of the United States of America
There were 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 at which the U.S. Constitution was drafted and signed. All participated in the proceedings which resulted in the Constitution, but only 39 of these delegates were actually signers of the document.
From: Robert G. Ferris (editor), Signers of the Constitution: Historic Places Commemorating the Signing of the Constitution, published by the United States Department of the Interior, National Park Service: Washington, D.C. (revised edition 1976), page 138:
Most of the [signers of the Constitution] married and fathered children. Sherman sired the largest family, numbering 15 by two wives... Three (Baldwin, Gilman, and Jenifer) were lifetime bachelors. In terms of religious affiliation, the men mirrored the overwhelmingly Protestant character of American religious life at the time and were members of various denominations. Only two, Carroll and Fitzsimons, were Roman Catholics.
Religious Affiliation # of
delegates % of
delegates
Episcopalian/Anglican 31 56.4%
Presbyterian 16 29.1%
Congregationalist 8 14.5%
Quaker 3 5.5%
Catholic 2 3.6%
Methodist 2 3.6%
Lutheran 2 3.6%
Dutch Reformed 2 3.6%
TOTAL 55 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Daniel Carroll Maryland Catholic
Thomas Fitzsimons Pennsylvania Catholic
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
Nathaniel Gorham Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Langdon New Hampshire Congregationalist
Nicholas Gilman New Hampshire Congregationalist
Abraham Baldwin Georgia Congregationalist; Episcopalian
William Samuel Johnson Connecticut Episcopalian; Presbyterian
James Madison Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
George Read Delaware Episcopalian
Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer Maryland Episcopalian
David Brearly New Jersey Episcopalian
Richard Dobbs Spaight, Sr. North Carolina Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Gouverneur Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
John Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
Charles Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
Pierce Butler South Carolina Episcopalian
George Washington Virginia Episcopalian
Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
William Blount North Carolina Episcopalian; Presbyterian
James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Rufus King Massachusetts Episcopalian; Congregationalist
Jacob Broom Delaware Lutheran
William Few Georgia Methodist
Richard Bassett Delaware Methodist
Gunning Bedford Jr. Delaware Presbyterian
James McHenry Maryland Presbyterian
William Livingston New Jersey Presbyterian
William Paterson New Jersey Presbyterian
Hugh Williamson North Carolina Presbyterian
Jared Ingersoll Pennsylvania Presbyterian
Alexander Hamilton New York Huguenot; Presbyterian; Episcopalian
Jonathan Dayton New Jersey Presbyterian; Episcopalian
John Blair Virginia Presbyterian; Episcopalian
John Dickinson Delaware Quaker; Episcopalian
George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker; Episcopalian
Thomas Mifflin Pennsylvania Quaker; Lutheran
Name of Non-Signing Delegate State Religious Affiliation
Oliver Ellsworth Connecticut Congregationalist
Caleb Strong Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Lansing, Jr. New York Dutch Reformed
Robert Yates New York Dutch Reformed
William Houstoun Georgia Episcopalian
William Leigh Pierce Georgia Episcopalian
Luther Martin Maryland Episcopalian
John F. Mercer Maryland Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
George Mason Virginia Episcopalian
Edmund J. Randolph Virginia Episcopalian
George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
James McClurg Virginia Presbyterian
William C. Houston New Jersey Presbyterian
William R. Davie North Carolina Presbyterian
Alexander Martin North Carolina Presbyterian
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Multiple Roles
Of course, virtually all of the "Founding Fathers" had multiple roles in the formation of the country, in the broad sense that takes into account military leadership, financial sponsorship, various miscellaneous state and federal positions, etc. But there were many individuals who had multiple roles among categories of Founding Fathers enumerated on this page. That is, they signed more than one of the foundational documents (the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution) or they signed one (or more) of these documents and also served in the First Federal Congress. These individuals with "multiple roles" were: Abraham Baldwin; Benjamin Franklin; Charles Carroll; Daniel Carroll; Elbridge Gerry; Francis Lewis; Francis Lightfoot Lee; George Clymer; George Read; Gouverneur Morris; Hugh Williamson; James Wilson; John Dickinson; John Hancock; John Penn; John Witherspoon; Josiah Bartlett; Nicholas Gilman; Oliver Wolcott; Pierce Butler; Richard Bassett; Richard Henry Lee; Robert Morris; Roger Sherman; Rufus King; Samuel Adams; Samuel Huntington; Thomas Fitzsimons; Thomas Heyward Jr.; Thomas McKean; William Ellery; William Few; William Floyd; William Paterson; William Samuel Johnson; James Madison Jr.; John Langdon; Caleb Strong; Oliver Ellsworth; George Wythe.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008
2ND AMENDMENT EROSION
Schwarzenegger is married to a member of the Kennedy clan, right? Has their liberal gun control philosophy rubbed off on the Terminator Man??? His wife Maria toed the family line in endorsing the family's choice for prez. a damned liberal. And Arnold endorsed a liberal Senator masquerading as a Conservative Republican. They all know that the 2nd amendment will never be overturned completely so they just chip away at it in the hope that sooner or later it will mean absolutely nothing. It will remain just a figment of a freedom that once was.
Remember 2 things: guns don't kill people, people kill people.
when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
People don't need a gun to kill, guns just make it more convenient and less personal. outlaw guns and you might as well outlaw cars, trucks aircraft knives razor blades fertilizer, etc, etc, etc. When it comes right down to it why not outlaw hands, feet, heads, etc. All of those deadly body parts can be used to kill someone. Just ask the Terminator, or Rambo, or...........
Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun-Control Advocates
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
October 15, 2007
(CNSNews.com) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the Crime Gun Identification Act over the weekend, and that means gun sellers by 2010 - if there are any left in the state by that time -- will have to use "microstamping" technology on every semiautomatic pistol they sell.
The new law, AB 1471, requires information about a gun's make, model and identification number to be laser engraved onto the gun's firing pin. Theoretically, the information would transfer itself onto the bullet cartridge when the pistol is fired, allowing police to match bullet casings found at crime scenes with the gun that fired the bullet.
Gun control groups say the new law will help police solve crimes.
"We applaud Gov. Schwarzenegger for taking a bold step to solve gun murders in California," said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke. "This ground-breaking law gives police officers a powerful tool to apprehend armed criminals and gang members before they strike again," he added.
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Schwarzenegger "has set a new national standard for the rest of the country to follow."
But critics say the bill is back-door gun control. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association of the firearms industry, accused Gov. Schwarzenegger of betraying law-abiding gun owners, retailers and hunters by signing the bill.
First of all the "microstamping" technology is "flawed," as indicated by multiple studies, the NSSF said in a news release.
Criminals will be able to remove the laser engraving in moments, using common household tools, the group said. And it would be easy for criminals to scatter microstamped cartridges from other guns at crime scenes to confuse police, critics say.
Some say the new law will dry up gun sales in California - and that may be the point:
"By signing the microstamping legislation, Governor Schwarzenegger chose to disregard warnings that major firearms manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market altogether rather than bear the astronomical costs associated with reconfiguring the manufacturing and assembly processes necessary for microstamping," NSSF said.
"Governor Schwarzenegger has now effectively banned more firearms than Senators Kennedy, Feinstein and Schumer combined," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel.
"The governor's decision to mandate this unreliable technology is clearly one of family politics, not sound public policy," said Keane, referring to Senator Ted Kennedy, the uncle of the governor's wife, who has announced plans to introduce a federal microstamping bill.
NSSF also noted that according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, firearms used in crimes are mostly old guns -- beyond the reach of microstamping legislation.
Save the condors
In another blow to Second Amendment supporters, Gov. Schwarzenegger also signed a bill banning lead ammunition in certain hunting areas of the state.
Assembly Bill 821, backed by "anti-hunting extremists," is intended to save the California Condor from lead poisoning -- despite the fact that there is no conclusive scientific evidence that the birds are getting sick from ingesting ammunition fragments, NSSF said.
The group said Schwarzenegger was advised on the issue by Marty Wilson -- "his political adviser who entered a business relationship this year with the Audubon Society -- an anti-hunting organization fighting to ban lead ammunition."
The decision to ban lead ammunition in Condor habitat will have far-reaching implications, Keane noted.
"A study by the Responsive Management Company found that if a ban on lead ammunition were to become law, 24 percent of hunters would hunt outside the state, hunt less or stop hunting altogether. This, in turn, affects the retailers of hunting equipment, their employees and the small mom-and-pop businesses that run lodges and restaurants that hunters patronize."
NSSF said a ban on lead ammunition could cost 2,230 jobs, $15 million in state and federal income tax, $3.9 million per year in hunting license costs, $131 million a year in retail sales and $624,000 in federal excise tax money normally returned to California."
Keane called the governor's decision to sign the two gun-related bills "stunningly bad public policy decisions."
"To ban traditional ammunition without evidence [that it is harming condors] and to mandate a flawed [microstamping] technology that criminals will laugh at could very well see every major firearms manufacturer abandon the California market," he said.
"Today is a sad day for sportsmen, gun-owners, small business owners, firearms enthusiasts and indeed wildlife in the Golden State," concluded Keane.
See Earlier Stories:
Gun Control Bill Heads to California Governor (Sept. 11, 2007)
Gun 'Microstamping' Bill Passes California Senate (Aug. 25, 2006)
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ELECTIONS 2008
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Tuesday, February 12, 2008
OBAMA WHO???????
Hillary is a brainless bitch who, as far as I know, has never had an original idea in her whole life and the thought of her in any national office scares the crap out of me.....but this Peter Panish wonder kid from Illinois scares me even more. He has shown no respect for the American flag (watch reruns of the debates--he stands with his hands at his sides). It has been said that IF he is elected Prez he might appoint John Edwards to be Attorney General. Edwards is the man who was asked if he thought handgun ownership was a right or a privilege. His response,'it is a privilege not a right' This from a man who took an oath to uphold the constitution and the rights there-in. He must have read a version of that precious document that was thought up in some liberal minded back room some where on the road to hell.
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By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election 2008: How is it a front-runner for the highest office in the land can reject an American flag on his lapel but permit the display of a huge Cuban flag at one of his offices, emblazoned with a mass murderer's mug?
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Improbable as it sounds, it's true. Barack Obama, displaying the same "anything goes" standard of patriotism he showed when he ostentatiously refused to wear a U.S. flag in his lapel, now shows he's got a whole different idea about patriotism.
One of Obama's volunteer offices in Houston was caught operating under a huge flag of communist Cuba with Che Guevara's face printed on it, according to images shown on Fox News. Flak from bloggers ensued — followed, of course, by spin control.
But rather than repudiate the image, Obama would only call it "inappropriate," apparently without insisting it be taken down. That contrasts with his dismissal of his Senate colleagues who wear lapel flags as "hypocrites." Some hypocrites.
The display of the Castroite flag with Che's picture on it sends a particularly disturbing message about his campaign. Apparently, Obama tends to attract the kind of people who think of mass murderers like Che and Fidel as romantic revolutionaries. Those same people see Obama as a man with a messianic message. These are the voters he'll be indebted to should he win higher office.
Worse yet, it signals that a U.S. commander in chief tolerates supporters with loyalties to nations other than the U.S., including those loyal to enemy states that spy on and seek to harm the U.S.
It coincides uncomfortably with Obama's call for no-strings-attached diplomatic relations with communist Cuba. He's even offered to meet with the dictators of Cuba, sanctimoniously implying that other administrations had no good reason for not doing so.
Obama's naive idealism is based on a false understanding of history. Cuba is a nation that aimed Soviet missiles at us in 1962 and is likely to do the same if and when Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez gets advanced weapons from Russia or Iran. That's not all:
• Also in 1962, Cuba attempted to launch the first 9/11-style attack on New York's subways and department stores — with the mastermind behind that none other than Che Guevara himself.
• In 1982 it tried to get the USSR to launch nukes at the U.S.
• In 1996, Cuba shot down two U.S. planes, killing six Americans whose only "crime" was trying to rescue Cuban refugees at sea. Had a political candidate in Latin America pasted up a picture of Che at election time, there'd be no doubt where he stood — ones who did just that are now running countries with names like Bolivia and Venezuela. Is that what Obama really stands for?
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Keep in mind, all of these revelations appeared in HUMAN EVENTS, but were virtually ignored by the regular media...
* True or False: "The GOP is the party of Big Business." (Answer: false. Fortune 500 now give more money to the Left by a factor of 14.5 to 1)
* Exposed: the Hollywood hypocrites who drive most of the way in from Malibu in Lincoln Navigators … but arrive on camera at the Academy Awards in hybrid, eco-friendly Priuses
* 45% of British Muslims believe the U.S. and Israel planned the 9/11 attacks. (This clearly does not square with the media view of Islam as a gentle, rational faith.)
* Liberals claim that "political correctness" on campus a figment of conservatives' imagination - but a recent national survey found that Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 3 to 1 in economics, 28 to 1 in sociology, and 30 to 1 in anthropology
* American companies recently did $1 billion worth of direct business with Cuba. (This story gets no play because the press want you believe a "cruel U.S. business embargo" is the cause of Cuban poverty.)
* The segment of the American public most devoted to unlimited abortion rights is young women, right? Wrong. Surveys reveal that young single men aged 18 to 34 favor unlimited abortion more than any other segment
* "Sharia Chic" - how the European fashion industry is featuring outfits inspired by Islamic dress, including clothing worn by jihadists, to rich fashion-conscious Westerners
* High energy prices are NOT all bad. (For the first time in 15 years, the number of new U.S. oil wells drilled tops the 1,000 mark -- and exploration is up 35% over last year.)
* The Kyoto Treaty can't alter climate -- period. (That's what treaty backers admit. Nevertheless, the global press bends over backwards to cover this up.)
* The North Korean missile launch was helpful -- for Red China. (Chinese military leaders got a detailed look at U.S. missile defenses -- sea, air and land-based detection systems and frequencies used.)
* Since 9/11, Islamic jihadists have perpetrated not 500, not 2,500, but more than 5,000 terror attacks. (Liberals hush-up this number, claiming the truth would provoke "reprisals" by "violent" Americans against "peaceful" Muslims.)
Now, does all this make you feel as if the real "endangered species" these days are truth and common sense?
Good! That tells me HUMAN EVENTS will be a welcome breath of fresh air for you. And that you
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Friday, March 21, 2008
Your tax dollars at work
When Birds Attack
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If you’ve never seen Hitchcock’s The Birds, you’ve probably seen a few chilling out-takes. People running. Birds swooping. People screaming. Glass shattering.
Could the scenario be even scarier? Well, yes: if, say, it were illegal for the victims to defend themselves.
This is not a movie remake. That’s what the beleaguered citizens of Bartow are currently facing. This is a small town outside of Orlando — a quiet community says the Orlando Sentinel. Well, except for the screaming.
Migrating turkey vultures have turned into quite a nuisance there. They rip shingles off roofs. They chew rubber from car windows. First pecking a little. Then a lot.
And the people? Screams. Of frustration.
They’re not allowed to do much about this. They may blow a shrill whistle to try to scare off the vultures, or tactically position stuffed toys that resemble dead vultures. But the beleaguered residents may not kill or even capture the birds.
The birds are protected by the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Apparently we’ve signed an agreement with the birds which makes it a criminal offense for anybody to ruffle their feathers. Too bad such well-meaning edicts don’t also make it illegal for birds to harass innocent villagers.
Once again we see the tyranny of well-meaning politics, un-tethered by even the tiniest amount of thought about the consequences.
This is Common Sense. I’m Paul Jacob.
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Friday, February 22, 2008
ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
This is for those modern day "liberals"/atheists/left wing nuts, etc etc who want us all to to believe that this nation was not "founded under God" by Christians. Revisionists is another word that fits those who would deny and denigrate our history.
This Nation was founded under God/Divine Creator by men who were primarily Christians.
They were true liberals in that they upset some very conservative apple carts. I look upon the modern day Conservatives as the champions and protectors of what those brave men brought about at the risk of their lives, liberty and property. Had they lost we might very well still be speaking The King's English. But they could not lose because they were a unique group of individuals and intellectuals meeting at the right time in history and the right place on Planet Earth. Never before, and never since, that time have those very propitious circumstances taken place. Just as Planet Earth was not created by pure dumb chance, neither was this great nation of ours. God, the Divine Creator of us all, played the dominant role.
Todays 'liberals', with their roots in the 1930's world events and history, would destroy that which was wrought on the shores of this nation. Bought and paid for by the blood, sweat, tears, toil and deaths of good honest American patriots.
The Declaration of Independence
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:
Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton
Religious Affiliation of the
Founding Fathers
of the United States of America
Related Pages:
- Religious Affiliation of First U.S. Congress
- Religious Affiliation of the Modern U.S. Congress
- Religious Affiliation of U.S. Presidents
- Religious Affiliation of the U.S. Supreme Court
On this Page:
- signers of the Declaration of Independence
- signers of the Articles of Confederation
- Constitutional Convention delegates including signers of the U.S. Constitution
Ennumerating the Founding Fathers
The three major foundational documents of the United States of America are the Declaration of Independence (July 1776), the Articles of Confederation (drafted 1777, ratified 1781) and the Constitution of the United States of America (1789). There are a total of 143 signatures on these documents, representing 118 different signers. (Some individuals signed more than one document.)
There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. There were 48 signers of the Articles of Confederation. All 55 delegates who participated in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are regarded as Founding Fathers, in fact, they are often regarded as the Founding Fathers because it is this group that actually debated, drafted and signed the U.S. Constitution, which is the basis for the country's political and legal system. Only 39 delegates actually signed the document, however, meaning there were 16 non-signing delegates - individuals who were Constitutional Convention delegates but were not signers of the Constitution.
There were 95 Senators and Representatives in the First Federal Congress. If one combines the total number of signatures on the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution with the non-signing Constitutional Convention delegates, and then adds to that sum the number of congressmen in the First Federal Congress, one obtains a total of 238 "slots" or "positions" in these groups which one can classify as "Founding Fathers" of the United States. Because 40 individuals had multiple roles (they signed multiple documents and/or also served in the First Federal Congress), there are 204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following:
- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress
The religious affiliations of these individuals are summarized below. Obviously this is a very restrictive set of names, and does not include everyone who could be considered an "American Founding Father." But most of the major figures that people generally think of in this context are included using these criteria, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and more.
Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204
NOTES: The table above counts people and not "roles," meaning that individuals have not been counted multiple times if they appear on more than one of the lists above. Roger Sherman, for example, signed all three foundational documents and he was a Representative in the First Federal Congress, but he has been counted only once.
In the table above, some people have been counted more than once because they changed religious affiliation from one denomination to another. Thus, the individual amounts added together total more than 100%. This method is used because it results in accurate numbers for each individual religious affiliation. For example, a total of 7 Quakers are shown in the table above. There were indeed 7 Quakers who were in this group. (However, not all of these were life-long Quakers.) For the most part, very few Founding Fathers switched denomination during their lifetime (less than 8%), so double-counting has occurred only rarely in this table. Quakers, in fact, are more likely to have switched denominations than members of any other religious denomination. Along with taking up arms and supporting military action against the British, a large proportion of Quaker Founding Father officially renounced or were expelled from the ardently pacifistic denomination they had been raised in and joined another denomination (usually Episcopalianism).
Also, note that the proportions shown (percentage of each religious affiliation out of the total group of Founding Fathers) is the proportion out of Founders whose religious affiliation is known. The religious affiliation of a significant number of signers of the Articles of Confederation is not known, but if that information was available, it is expected that such information would not change the overall proportions signifcantly.
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Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the
Declaration of Independence
Religious Affiliation # of
signers % of
signers
Episcopalian/Anglican 32 57.1%
Congregationalist 13 23.2%
Presbyterian 12 21.4%
Quaker 2 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist 2 3.6%
Catholic 1 1.8%
TOTAL 56 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic
Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist
Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton Georgia Episcopalian
John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
George Ross Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton South Carolina Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
George Read Delaware Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney Delaware Episcopalian
Samuel Chase Maryland Episcopalian
William Paca Maryland Episcopalian
Thomas Stone Maryland Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson New Jersey Episcopalian
Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
Lewis Morris New York Episcopalian
William Hooper North Carolina Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
John Morton Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins Rhode Island Episcopalian
Carter Braxton Virginia Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison Virginia Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett Georgia Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes North Carolina Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton New Hampshire Presbyterian
Abraham Clark New Jersey Presbyterian
John Hart New Jersey Presbyterian
Richard Stockton New Jersey Presbyterian
John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
William Floyd New York Presbyterian
Philip Livingston New York Presbyterian
James Smith Pennsylvania Presbyterian
George Taylor Pennsylvania Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush Pennsylvania Presbyterian
The signers of the Declaration of Independence were a profoundly intelligent, religious and ethically-minded group. Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen. Other professions held by signers include lawyers, merchants, doctors and educators. These individuals, too, were for the most part active churchgoers and many contributed significantly to their churches both with contributions as well as their service as lay leaders. The signers were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s.
These signers have long inspired deep admiration among both secularists (who appreciate the non-denominational nature of the Declaration) and by traditional religionists (who appreciate the Declaration's recognition of God as the source of the rights enumerated by the document). Lossing's seminal 1848 collection of biographies of the signers of the Declaration of Independence echoed widely held sentiments held then and now that there was divine intent or inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence. Lossing matter-of-factly identified the signers as "instruments of Providence" who have "gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land."
From: B. J. Lossing, Signers of the Declaration of Independence, George F. Cooledge & Brother: New York (1848) [reprinted in Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence, WallBuilder Press: Aledo, Texas (1995)], pages 7-12:
From no point of view can the Declaration of American Independence, the causes which led to its adoption, and the events which marked its maintenance, be observed without exciting sentiments of profound veneration for the men who were the prominent actors in that remarkable scene in the drama of the world's history...
The signing of that instrument was a solemn act, and required great firmness and patriotism in those who committed it... neither firmness nor patriotism was wanting in that august body...
Such were the men unto whose keeping, as instruments of Providence, the destinies of America were for the time intrusted; and it has been well remarked, that men, other than such as these,--an ignorant, untaught mass, like those who have formed the physical elements of other revolutionary movements, without sufficient intellect to guide and control them--could not have conceived, planned, and carried into execution, such a mighty movement, one so fraught with tangible marks of political wisdom, as the American Revolution...
Their bodies now have all returned to their kindred dust in the grave, and their souls have gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land.
From: Robert G. Ferris (editor), Signers of the Declaration: Historic Places Commemorating the Signing of the Declaration of Independence, published by the United States Department of the Interior, National Park Service: Washington, D.C. (revised edition 1975), pages 27-28:
Liberally endowed as a whole with courage and sense of purpose, the signers [of the Declaration of Independence] consisted of a distinguished group of individuals. Although heterogeneous in background, education, experience, and accommplishments, at the time of the signing they were practically all men of means and represented an elite cross section of 18th-century American leadership. Everyone one of them of them had achieved prominence in his colony, but only a few enjoyed a national reputation.
The signers were those individuals who happened to be Delegates to Congress at the time... The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin. The eight foreign-born... were all natives of the British Isles. Except for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism. For the most part basically political nonextremists, many at first had hesitated at separation let alone rebellion.
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Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the
Articles of Confederation
Religious Affiliation # of
signers % of
signers
Episcopalian/Anglican 14 29%
Congregationalist 9 19%
Presbyterian 4 8%
Catholic 1 2%
Quaker 1 2%
Huguenot 1 2%
Lutheran 1 2%
Protestant, denomination unknown 18 38%
TOTAL 48 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Daniel Carroll Maryland Catholic
Andrew Adams Connecticut Congregationalist
Richard Hutson South Carolina Congregationalist
Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
John Banister Virginia Episcopalian
James Duane New York Episcopalian
Edward Langworthy Georgia Episcopalian
Gouverneur Morris New York Episcopalian
Nicholas Van Dyke Delaware Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Cornelius Harnett North Carolina Episcopalian (Deist)
John Dickinson Delaware Quaker; Episcopalian
Henry Laurens South Carolina Huguenot
John Hanson Maryland Lutheran
Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
John Walton Georgia Presbyterian
Nathaniel Scudder New Jersey Presbyterian
William Clingan Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Joseph Reed Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Daniel Roberdeau Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Jonathan Bayard Smith Pennsylvania Protestant, denomination unknown
Francis Dana Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
Samuel Holten Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
James Lovell Massachusetts Protestant, denomination unknown
Henry Marchant Rhode Island Protestant, denomination unknown
John Collins Rhode Island Protestant, denomination unknown
Thomas Adams Virginia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Harvie Virginia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Mathews South Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
William Henry Drayton South Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
William Duer New York Protestant, denomination unknown
Titus Hosmer Connecticut Protestant, denomination unknown
Edward Telfair Georgia Protestant, denomination unknown
John Wentworth Jr. New Hampshire Protestant, denomination unknown
John Williams North Carolina Protestant, denomination unknown
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Religious Affiliation of the Delegates to the
Constitutional Convention of 1787, including the
Signers of the Constitution of the United States of America
There were 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 at which the U.S. Constitution was drafted and signed. All participated in the proceedings which resulted in the Constitution, but only 39 of these delegates were actually signers of the document.
From: Robert G. Ferris (editor), Signers of the Constitution: Historic Places Commemorating the Signing of the Constitution, published by the United States Department of the Interior, National Park Service: Washington, D.C. (revised edition 1976), page 138:
Most of the [signers of the Constitution] married and fathered children. Sherman sired the largest family, numbering 15 by two wives... Three (Baldwin, Gilman, and Jenifer) were lifetime bachelors. In terms of religious affiliation, the men mirrored the overwhelmingly Protestant character of American religious life at the time and were members of various denominations. Only two, Carroll and Fitzsimons, were Roman Catholics.
Religious Affiliation # of
delegates % of
delegates
Episcopalian/Anglican 31 56.4%
Presbyterian 16 29.1%
Congregationalist 8 14.5%
Quaker 3 5.5%
Catholic 2 3.6%
Methodist 2 3.6%
Lutheran 2 3.6%
Dutch Reformed 2 3.6%
TOTAL 55 100%
Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation
Daniel Carroll Maryland Catholic
Thomas Fitzsimons Pennsylvania Catholic
Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
Nathaniel Gorham Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Langdon New Hampshire Congregationalist
Nicholas Gilman New Hampshire Congregationalist
Abraham Baldwin Georgia Congregationalist; Episcopalian
William Samuel Johnson Connecticut Episcopalian; Presbyterian
James Madison Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
George Read Delaware Episcopalian
Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer Maryland Episcopalian
David Brearly New Jersey Episcopalian
Richard Dobbs Spaight, Sr. North Carolina Episcopalian
Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
Gouverneur Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
John Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
Charles Pinckney South Carolina Episcopalian
Pierce Butler South Carolina Episcopalian
George Washington Virginia Episcopalian
Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
William Blount North Carolina Episcopalian; Presbyterian
James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Rufus King Massachusetts Episcopalian; Congregationalist
Jacob Broom Delaware Lutheran
William Few Georgia Methodist
Richard Bassett Delaware Methodist
Gunning Bedford Jr. Delaware Presbyterian
James McHenry Maryland Presbyterian
William Livingston New Jersey Presbyterian
William Paterson New Jersey Presbyterian
Hugh Williamson North Carolina Presbyterian
Jared Ingersoll Pennsylvania Presbyterian
Alexander Hamilton New York Huguenot; Presbyterian; Episcopalian
Jonathan Dayton New Jersey Presbyterian; Episcopalian
John Blair Virginia Presbyterian; Episcopalian
John Dickinson Delaware Quaker; Episcopalian
George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker; Episcopalian
Thomas Mifflin Pennsylvania Quaker; Lutheran
Name of Non-Signing Delegate State Religious Affiliation
Oliver Ellsworth Connecticut Congregationalist
Caleb Strong Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Lansing, Jr. New York Dutch Reformed
Robert Yates New York Dutch Reformed
William Houstoun Georgia Episcopalian
William Leigh Pierce Georgia Episcopalian
Luther Martin Maryland Episcopalian
John F. Mercer Maryland Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
George Mason Virginia Episcopalian
Edmund J. Randolph Virginia Episcopalian
George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
James McClurg Virginia Presbyterian
William C. Houston New Jersey Presbyterian
William R. Davie North Carolina Presbyterian
Alexander Martin North Carolina Presbyterian
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Multiple Roles
Of course, virtually all of the "Founding Fathers" had multiple roles in the formation of the country, in the broad sense that takes into account military leadership, financial sponsorship, various miscellaneous state and federal positions, etc. But there were many individuals who had multiple roles among categories of Founding Fathers enumerated on this page. That is, they signed more than one of the foundational documents (the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution) or they signed one (or more) of these documents and also served in the First Federal Congress. These individuals with "multiple roles" were: Abraham Baldwin; Benjamin Franklin; Charles Carroll; Daniel Carroll; Elbridge Gerry; Francis Lewis; Francis Lightfoot Lee; George Clymer; George Read; Gouverneur Morris; Hugh Williamson; James Wilson; John Dickinson; John Hancock; John Penn; John Witherspoon; Josiah Bartlett; Nicholas Gilman; Oliver Wolcott; Pierce Butler; Richard Bassett; Richard Henry Lee; Robert Morris; Roger Sherman; Rufus King; Samuel Adams; Samuel Huntington; Thomas Fitzsimons; Thomas Heyward Jr.; Thomas McKean; William Ellery; William Few; William Floyd; William Paterson; William Samuel Johnson; James Madison Jr.; John Langdon; Caleb Strong; Oliver Ellsworth; George Wythe.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008
2ND AMENDMENT EROSION
Schwarzenegger is married to a member of the Kennedy clan, right? Has their liberal gun control philosophy rubbed off on the Terminator Man??? His wife Maria toed the family line in endorsing the family's choice for prez. a damned liberal. And Arnold endorsed a liberal Senator masquerading as a Conservative Republican. They all know that the 2nd amendment will never be overturned completely so they just chip away at it in the hope that sooner or later it will mean absolutely nothing. It will remain just a figment of a freedom that once was.
Remember 2 things: guns don't kill people, people kill people.
when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
People don't need a gun to kill, guns just make it more convenient and less personal. outlaw guns and you might as well outlaw cars, trucks aircraft knives razor blades fertilizer, etc, etc, etc. When it comes right down to it why not outlaw hands, feet, heads, etc. All of those deadly body parts can be used to kill someone. Just ask the Terminator, or Rambo, or...........
Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun-Control Advocates
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
October 15, 2007
(CNSNews.com) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the Crime Gun Identification Act over the weekend, and that means gun sellers by 2010 - if there are any left in the state by that time -- will have to use "microstamping" technology on every semiautomatic pistol they sell.
The new law, AB 1471, requires information about a gun's make, model and identification number to be laser engraved onto the gun's firing pin. Theoretically, the information would transfer itself onto the bullet cartridge when the pistol is fired, allowing police to match bullet casings found at crime scenes with the gun that fired the bullet.
Gun control groups say the new law will help police solve crimes.
"We applaud Gov. Schwarzenegger for taking a bold step to solve gun murders in California," said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke. "This ground-breaking law gives police officers a powerful tool to apprehend armed criminals and gang members before they strike again," he added.
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Schwarzenegger "has set a new national standard for the rest of the country to follow."
But critics say the bill is back-door gun control. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association of the firearms industry, accused Gov. Schwarzenegger of betraying law-abiding gun owners, retailers and hunters by signing the bill.
First of all the "microstamping" technology is "flawed," as indicated by multiple studies, the NSSF said in a news release.
Criminals will be able to remove the laser engraving in moments, using common household tools, the group said. And it would be easy for criminals to scatter microstamped cartridges from other guns at crime scenes to confuse police, critics say.
Some say the new law will dry up gun sales in California - and that may be the point:
"By signing the microstamping legislation, Governor Schwarzenegger chose to disregard warnings that major firearms manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market altogether rather than bear the astronomical costs associated with reconfiguring the manufacturing and assembly processes necessary for microstamping," NSSF said.
"Governor Schwarzenegger has now effectively banned more firearms than Senators Kennedy, Feinstein and Schumer combined," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel.
"The governor's decision to mandate this unreliable technology is clearly one of family politics, not sound public policy," said Keane, referring to Senator Ted Kennedy, the uncle of the governor's wife, who has announced plans to introduce a federal microstamping bill.
NSSF also noted that according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, firearms used in crimes are mostly old guns -- beyond the reach of microstamping legislation.
Save the condors
In another blow to Second Amendment supporters, Gov. Schwarzenegger also signed a bill banning lead ammunition in certain hunting areas of the state.
Assembly Bill 821, backed by "anti-hunting extremists," is intended to save the California Condor from lead poisoning -- despite the fact that there is no conclusive scientific evidence that the birds are getting sick from ingesting ammunition fragments, NSSF said.
The group said Schwarzenegger was advised on the issue by Marty Wilson -- "his political adviser who entered a business relationship this year with the Audubon Society -- an anti-hunting organization fighting to ban lead ammunition."
The decision to ban lead ammunition in Condor habitat will have far-reaching implications, Keane noted.
"A study by the Responsive Management Company found that if a ban on lead ammunition were to become law, 24 percent of hunters would hunt outside the state, hunt less or stop hunting altogether. This, in turn, affects the retailers of hunting equipment, their employees and the small mom-and-pop businesses that run lodges and restaurants that hunters patronize."
NSSF said a ban on lead ammunition could cost 2,230 jobs, $15 million in state and federal income tax, $3.9 million per year in hunting license costs, $131 million a year in retail sales and $624,000 in federal excise tax money normally returned to California."
Keane called the governor's decision to sign the two gun-related bills "stunningly bad public policy decisions."
"To ban traditional ammunition without evidence [that it is harming condors] and to mandate a flawed [microstamping] technology that criminals will laugh at could very well see every major firearms manufacturer abandon the California market," he said.
"Today is a sad day for sportsmen, gun-owners, small business owners, firearms enthusiasts and indeed wildlife in the Golden State," concluded Keane.
See Earlier Stories:
Gun Control Bill Heads to California Governor (Sept. 11, 2007)
Gun 'Microstamping' Bill Passes California Senate (Aug. 25, 2006)
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ELECTIONS 2008
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Tuesday, February 12, 2008
OBAMA WHO???????
Hillary is a brainless bitch who, as far as I know, has never had an original idea in her whole life and the thought of her in any national office scares the crap out of me.....but this Peter Panish wonder kid from Illinois scares me even more. He has shown no respect for the American flag (watch reruns of the debates--he stands with his hands at his sides). It has been said that IF he is elected Prez he might appoint John Edwards to be Attorney General. Edwards is the man who was asked if he thought handgun ownership was a right or a privilege. His response,'it is a privilege not a right' This from a man who took an oath to uphold the constitution and the rights there-in. He must have read a version of that precious document that was thought up in some liberal minded back room some where on the road to hell.
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By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election 2008: How is it a front-runner for the highest office in the land can reject an American flag on his lapel but permit the display of a huge Cuban flag at one of his offices, emblazoned with a mass murderer's mug?
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Improbable as it sounds, it's true. Barack Obama, displaying the same "anything goes" standard of patriotism he showed when he ostentatiously refused to wear a U.S. flag in his lapel, now shows he's got a whole different idea about patriotism.
One of Obama's volunteer offices in Houston was caught operating under a huge flag of communist Cuba with Che Guevara's face printed on it, according to images shown on Fox News. Flak from bloggers ensued — followed, of course, by spin control.
But rather than repudiate the image, Obama would only call it "inappropriate," apparently without insisting it be taken down. That contrasts with his dismissal of his Senate colleagues who wear lapel flags as "hypocrites." Some hypocrites.
The display of the Castroite flag with Che's picture on it sends a particularly disturbing message about his campaign. Apparently, Obama tends to attract the kind of people who think of mass murderers like Che and Fidel as romantic revolutionaries. Those same people see Obama as a man with a messianic message. These are the voters he'll be indebted to should he win higher office.
Worse yet, it signals that a U.S. commander in chief tolerates supporters with loyalties to nations other than the U.S., including those loyal to enemy states that spy on and seek to harm the U.S.
It coincides uncomfortably with Obama's call for no-strings-attached diplomatic relations with communist Cuba. He's even offered to meet with the dictators of Cuba, sanctimoniously implying that other administrations had no good reason for not doing so.
Obama's naive idealism is based on a false understanding of history. Cuba is a nation that aimed Soviet missiles at us in 1962 and is likely to do the same if and when Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez gets advanced weapons from Russia or Iran. That's not all:
• Also in 1962, Cuba attempted to launch the first 9/11-style attack on New York's subways and department stores — with the mastermind behind that none other than Che Guevara himself.
• In 1982 it tried to get the USSR to launch nukes at the U.S.
• In 1996, Cuba shot down two U.S. planes, killing six Americans whose only "crime" was trying to rescue Cuban refugees at sea. Had a political candidate in Latin America pasted up a picture of Che at election time, there'd be no doubt where he stood — ones who did just that are now running countries with names like Bolivia and Venezuela. Is that what Obama really stands for?
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ONE OF MY GO
Thursday, March 20, 2008
LOVE THOSE DDs
Damn Democrats that is. They are so much fun to watch as they disintegrate.
wrote "The Lib'ral White Crowd That Cried" to the tune of Johnny Ray's The Little White Cloud That Cried:
I was thinking, "Down goes Obama"
Feeling Barry's sure to slide
When all at once I saw, filled with drama
The lib'ral white crowd that cried
They told me they believe what he preaches
And no one cares what he tries to hide
They said sometimes just warm fuzzy speeches
Make all the lib'ral crowds cry
They said Barack will solve all our issues
Heal our souls, still all our fears
Don't ask how, just pass us the tissues
Our eyeballs flow with tears
They asked me why the rest of the voters
Don't believe, their eyeballs are dry
That's how I know that come this November
The lib'ral white crowd will sit right down and cry
wrote "The Lib'ral White Crowd That Cried" to the tune of Johnny Ray's The Little White Cloud That Cried:
I was thinking, "Down goes Obama"
Feeling Barry's sure to slide
When all at once I saw, filled with drama
The lib'ral white crowd that cried
They told me they believe what he preaches
And no one cares what he tries to hide
They said sometimes just warm fuzzy speeches
Make all the lib'ral crowds cry
They said Barack will solve all our issues
Heal our souls, still all our fears
Don't ask how, just pass us the tissues
Our eyeballs flow with tears
They asked me why the rest of the voters
Don't believe, their eyeballs are dry
That's how I know that come this November
The lib'ral white crowd will sit right down and cry
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Is the pot calling the kettle black???
No pun intended, but if the shoe fits..........oh well.
Seems to me that the only person who is making ethnics a major issue is "Slick Willie" Obama.
The same goes to trying to put his grandmother and that racist pastor of his in the same apple crate. Grandma may very well have used the "N" word back in the day. She very well may have used some other terms and expressed some fears and trepidations and being around Negroes (term used to describe blacks before political correctness came along). But that went with the times in which she grew up in lily white small town Kansas. So maybe that makes her a small apple with a couple of bruises and a worm in a large apple crate. Pastor Wright on the other hand is plain flat out a racist. I can think of no white pastor Who would even think of saying the same type of statements. It's just not the Christian thing to do. I would like to think that any pastor who made such statements would be out on the streets looking for a new way of making a living. Slick Willie, should be ashamed of himself for even thinking about putting his poor ole' granny in the same category as that chuckle head Wright...he is a rotted orange. No comparison to a slightly bruised apple, no comparison at all.
Obama Defends Rev. Wright, Blasts Imus
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:47 AM
It took Barack Obama more than a year to repudiate his former pastor's racially charged anti-American tirades, but when it came to denouncing Don Imus for his racial slurs against the Rutgers girls basketball team, it took Obama only a week to demand the shock jock be fired, Fox News notes.
In a major speech Tuesday, Obama condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S. dating back to 2001.
But in April of last year, Obama was quick to demand Imus' ouster for making a racially insensitive remark.
�There�s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,� Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview demanding Imus' resignation.
Obama told ABC in the interview he would never appear again on Imus� show after Imus set off a firestorm of outrage when he called members of the women�s basketball team at Rutgers University �nappy-headed hos� on his popular morning talk show.
�He didn�t just cross the line,� Obama raged then. �He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.�
Obama has downplayed Wright for Wright's insensitive remarks, saying he has done good work with the poor and AIDS victims. Yet Obama did not afford the same respect to Imus, who has devoted considerable energy to helping children with cancer, wounded war veterans, and others.
Obama's pastor has blamed the government for HIV, cast the country as institutionally racist, and said God should damn the United States.
But Obama, who Fox recalled has had a 20-year relationship with Wright, claimed in his speech Tuesday that he had no idea Wright had ever expressed such incendiary remarks.
When some of Wright�s remarks were publicized last year, Obama rescinded an invitation for Wright to speak at his Feb. 10, 2007, presidential announcement, but had failed to fully address the matter until Tuesday's speech.
When Fox News asked about the different responses to his pastor and to Imus, Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor questioned the premise of the comparison and defended Obama�s response in each case. �He spoke out both times, so it�s entirely consistent,� he told Foxnews.com Tuesday. While Obama didn�t condemn Wright�s views outright until last Friday, Vietor said Obama had started putting the issue to rest long before now.
�He denounced specific comments months ago and he gave a thoughtful speech today,� Vietor told Fox News Tuesday.
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Seems to me that the only person who is making ethnics a major issue is "Slick Willie" Obama.
The same goes to trying to put his grandmother and that racist pastor of his in the same apple crate. Grandma may very well have used the "N" word back in the day. She very well may have used some other terms and expressed some fears and trepidations and being around Negroes (term used to describe blacks before political correctness came along). But that went with the times in which she grew up in lily white small town Kansas. So maybe that makes her a small apple with a couple of bruises and a worm in a large apple crate. Pastor Wright on the other hand is plain flat out a racist. I can think of no white pastor Who would even think of saying the same type of statements. It's just not the Christian thing to do. I would like to think that any pastor who made such statements would be out on the streets looking for a new way of making a living. Slick Willie, should be ashamed of himself for even thinking about putting his poor ole' granny in the same category as that chuckle head Wright...he is a rotted orange. No comparison to a slightly bruised apple, no comparison at all.
Obama Defends Rev. Wright, Blasts Imus
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:47 AM
It took Barack Obama more than a year to repudiate his former pastor's racially charged anti-American tirades, but when it came to denouncing Don Imus for his racial slurs against the Rutgers girls basketball team, it took Obama only a week to demand the shock jock be fired, Fox News notes.
In a major speech Tuesday, Obama condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S. dating back to 2001.
But in April of last year, Obama was quick to demand Imus' ouster for making a racially insensitive remark.
�There�s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,� Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview demanding Imus' resignation.
Obama told ABC in the interview he would never appear again on Imus� show after Imus set off a firestorm of outrage when he called members of the women�s basketball team at Rutgers University �nappy-headed hos� on his popular morning talk show.
�He didn�t just cross the line,� Obama raged then. �He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.�
Obama has downplayed Wright for Wright's insensitive remarks, saying he has done good work with the poor and AIDS victims. Yet Obama did not afford the same respect to Imus, who has devoted considerable energy to helping children with cancer, wounded war veterans, and others.
Obama's pastor has blamed the government for HIV, cast the country as institutionally racist, and said God should damn the United States.
But Obama, who Fox recalled has had a 20-year relationship with Wright, claimed in his speech Tuesday that he had no idea Wright had ever expressed such incendiary remarks.
When some of Wright�s remarks were publicized last year, Obama rescinded an invitation for Wright to speak at his Feb. 10, 2007, presidential announcement, but had failed to fully address the matter until Tuesday's speech.
When Fox News asked about the different responses to his pastor and to Imus, Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor questioned the premise of the comparison and defended Obama�s response in each case. �He spoke out both times, so it�s entirely consistent,� he told Foxnews.com Tuesday. While Obama didn�t condemn Wright�s views outright until last Friday, Vietor said Obama had started putting the issue to rest long before now.
�He denounced specific comments months ago and he gave a thoughtful speech today,� Vietor told Fox News Tuesday.
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Tuesday, March 18, 2008
THEY SAID IT
A fine quotation is a diamond on the finger of a man of wit, and a pebble in the hand of a fool.
- Joseph Roux
It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.
- Oscar Wilde
To achieve the impossible dream, try going to sleep.
- Joan Klempner
- Joseph Roux
It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.
- Oscar Wilde
To achieve the impossible dream, try going to sleep.
- Joan Klempner
Monday, March 17, 2008
USEFUL IDIOTS
Always have been always will be. Useful idiots, an oxymoron? Village idiots more likely. Wusses. Losers. Whiners! Wars should not be fought/debated in the public media, in the hallowed halls of Congress or even in huge antiwar rallies. It is unfortunate that the liberal left makes far more noise than the conservative right. But then they have had 200 years of practice. I long for the good old jingoistic days of yore. This country was built on the blood sweat and tears of good hard working Americans. Patriots all. Unsung heroes and heroines. Far too many of whom were buried in unmarked graves on the westward drive to build a nation. Some didn't even rate a burial, they died alone and rotted away right where they fell. No one there to mark their passing. They under stood what it meant to fight for something they believed in. To have something to hold on to; to worship, or not, as they chose. Yes, terrible things happened in those early years and there is no one really to blame. It was the westward tide. They battled and pushed back the native peoples, who got there by pushing out early natives
I get so sick and tired of liberal pukes crapping on what was built by people who knew and understood the true meaning of freedom.
Aiding The Enemy
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, March 17, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Media: Is there anything to the theory that an enemy gains strength when its opponent demonstrates a lack of will to fight? Yes, say two Harvard scholars, and it has happened in Iraq.
Read More: Media & Culture | Iraq
Radha Iyengar, a health policy economist, and Jonathan Monten, an international security program research fellow, found that "in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 5% to 10%."
The results might surprise some. But there's no reason they should. North Vietnamese generals knew they had a chance for a favorable outcome in their war if the American public turned hard enough against it. They saw the anti-war protesters as their allies. A better description for such people, though, might be "useful idiots."
Opposition at home during wartime is likely to produce two effects. It can cause morale problems for the troops fighting overseas and embolden the enemy. Reasonable assumptions, we'd say, but the latter had never been empirically proved — until now.
"We find that in periods immediately after a spike in anti-resolve statements, the level of insurgent attacks increases," Iyengar and Monten write in "Is There an 'Emboldenment' Effect? Evidence From the Insurgency in Iraq."
Terrorists might not have all their marbles, but they are nevertheless rational actors. Why wouldn't they take obsessive media opposition to the war and doubt expressed during public debate as cues to escalate? What they see tells them that if they inflict enough damage, America will cut and run because the public isn't willing to suffer the hardship.
The researchers characterize the increases in violence as small. "To the extent that U.S. political speech does affect insurgent incentives, it changes things only by about 10% to 20%," they reckon.
That's enough to result in unnecessary deaths for Iraqis and coalition troops, even if the increase in insurgent attacks is at the low end of the estimate.
What the researchers did not look at is how troop morale is affected by protests, media bias against the military's mission and overt signs that the public has taken a dim view of the war.
Remember the message "America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall" found written on a whiteboard at a base in Iraq? How can the troops give it their best when they know a large part of the country isn't giving them another thought?
How must America's best feel when the Code Pink crowd tries to shut down a Marine recruiting office in Berkeley, Calif.; when Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., tells students at Pasadena City College to study hard lest they "get stuck in Iraq"; or when Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., irresponsibly accuses our troops of committing "cold-blooded murder and war crimes."
What happens to our troops' spirit when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., indicts our forces by insisting the surge didn't work; when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., proclaims the war is "lost" and publicly questions the effectiveness of the surge; or when daft protesters in San Francisco carry banners that read "We Support Our Troops When They Shoot Their Officers"?
If the troops weren't too eager to defend to their deaths the lives of their detractors, it would be understandable. But it's their job and they perform it with honor and without resentment.
Of course, there's that First Amendment right that lets Americans protest the war and say foolish things. But war opponents should know their comments are likely to lead to the deaths of those who are securing their right to criticize.
At least media interest in the war, due to the success of the surge, is fading. When the press isn't inclined to convince America the war is a failure, admire anti-war marches, give voice to crackpots and let elected officials get away with asinine statements, Iraq is a safer place.
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I get so sick and tired of liberal pukes crapping on what was built by people who knew and understood the true meaning of freedom.
Aiding The Enemy
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, March 17, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Media: Is there anything to the theory that an enemy gains strength when its opponent demonstrates a lack of will to fight? Yes, say two Harvard scholars, and it has happened in Iraq.
Read More: Media & Culture | Iraq
Radha Iyengar, a health policy economist, and Jonathan Monten, an international security program research fellow, found that "in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 5% to 10%."
The results might surprise some. But there's no reason they should. North Vietnamese generals knew they had a chance for a favorable outcome in their war if the American public turned hard enough against it. They saw the anti-war protesters as their allies. A better description for such people, though, might be "useful idiots."
Opposition at home during wartime is likely to produce two effects. It can cause morale problems for the troops fighting overseas and embolden the enemy. Reasonable assumptions, we'd say, but the latter had never been empirically proved — until now.
"We find that in periods immediately after a spike in anti-resolve statements, the level of insurgent attacks increases," Iyengar and Monten write in "Is There an 'Emboldenment' Effect? Evidence From the Insurgency in Iraq."
Terrorists might not have all their marbles, but they are nevertheless rational actors. Why wouldn't they take obsessive media opposition to the war and doubt expressed during public debate as cues to escalate? What they see tells them that if they inflict enough damage, America will cut and run because the public isn't willing to suffer the hardship.
The researchers characterize the increases in violence as small. "To the extent that U.S. political speech does affect insurgent incentives, it changes things only by about 10% to 20%," they reckon.
That's enough to result in unnecessary deaths for Iraqis and coalition troops, even if the increase in insurgent attacks is at the low end of the estimate.
What the researchers did not look at is how troop morale is affected by protests, media bias against the military's mission and overt signs that the public has taken a dim view of the war.
Remember the message "America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall" found written on a whiteboard at a base in Iraq? How can the troops give it their best when they know a large part of the country isn't giving them another thought?
How must America's best feel when the Code Pink crowd tries to shut down a Marine recruiting office in Berkeley, Calif.; when Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., tells students at Pasadena City College to study hard lest they "get stuck in Iraq"; or when Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., irresponsibly accuses our troops of committing "cold-blooded murder and war crimes."
What happens to our troops' spirit when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., indicts our forces by insisting the surge didn't work; when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., proclaims the war is "lost" and publicly questions the effectiveness of the surge; or when daft protesters in San Francisco carry banners that read "We Support Our Troops When They Shoot Their Officers"?
If the troops weren't too eager to defend to their deaths the lives of their detractors, it would be understandable. But it's their job and they perform it with honor and without resentment.
Of course, there's that First Amendment right that lets Americans protest the war and say foolish things. But war opponents should know their comments are likely to lead to the deaths of those who are securing their right to criticize.
At least media interest in the war, due to the success of the surge, is fading. When the press isn't inclined to convince America the war is a failure, admire anti-war marches, give voice to crackpots and let elected officials get away with asinine statements, Iraq is a safer place.
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Saturday, March 15, 2008
Nancy Peloooosi
TELL HOUSE LEADERS: DON’T BACK DOWN TO BUSH!
Today, Congress is deciding what to do with FISA and whether to let phone companies off the hook for their role in warrantless wiretapping since 9/11. Your privacy rights are at risk!
Sign our petition to tell House Leader Nancy Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and your representative not to cave in to President Bush’s fear mongering. We don’t need misguided FISA "reform" that sells out our rights. We need to be safe and free!
I spent 20 years of my life defending this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. I have have NO fears with my privacy being violated, now or ever.
What I do fear are dangerous liberals like yourself who are hell bent for leather in destroying MY AMERICA. Within this country you and all others of your frame of mind are the domestic enemy. I realize that liberals (in the modern sense of the word) have been out to destroy this country for 200 years. So I do my research and put my thoughts on the internet.
I fight with words these days and I will continue to write/fight until they take my keyboard from cold, dead, fingers.
Today, Congress is deciding what to do with FISA and whether to let phone companies off the hook for their role in warrantless wiretapping since 9/11. Your privacy rights are at risk!
Sign our petition to tell House Leader Nancy Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and your representative not to cave in to President Bush’s fear mongering. We don’t need misguided FISA "reform" that sells out our rights. We need to be safe and free!
I spent 20 years of my life defending this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. I have have NO fears with my privacy being violated, now or ever.
What I do fear are dangerous liberals like yourself who are hell bent for leather in destroying MY AMERICA. Within this country you and all others of your frame of mind are the domestic enemy. I realize that liberals (in the modern sense of the word) have been out to destroy this country for 200 years. So I do my research and put my thoughts on the internet.
I fight with words these days and I will continue to write/fight until they take my keyboard from cold, dead, fingers.
Tuesday, March 4, 2008
WHAT THE HECK OVER
We have long known that values and morals have been on a downward spiral for years, but to me this is a new low in "entertainment"
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Hernandez to stay on 'Idol' despite past
By DERRIK J. LANG, AP Entertainment Writer 33 minutes ago
David Hernandez won't be stripped of his chance to compete on "American Idol." A person close to the show, who is not authorized to comment publicly and asked not to be identified, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that there were no plans to remove Hernandez from the Fox singing competition — despite the semifinalist's past as a male stripper.
The 24-year-old from Glendale, Ariz., once worked as an adult entertainer at Dick's Cabaret in Phoenix, appearing fully nude and performing lap dances for the club's "mostly male" clientele, strip club manager Gordy Bryan told the AP on Monday.
In 2003, semifinalist Frenchie Davis was dismissed from "Idol" because of her appearance on an adult Web site, but Antonella Barba remained in the competition last year after racy photos of her surfaced on the Internet. The source who confirmed that Hernandez will remain said Davis' situation was different because of the site's age-themed content.
Fox and the producers declined to comment on Hernandez, who was scheduled to perform a song from the '80s in a live telecast Tuesday with the other male singers as the semifinalists are narrowed down this week to the final 12 contestants. All the singers, including Hernandez, have been unavailable for interviews.
Dick's Cabaret manager Bryan said he was aware that Hernandez was a vocalist, but that Hernandez never sang at the club. Bryan said he now believes Hernandez stopped working at the strip club on Sept. 30, 2007, because of his participation in "Idol."
Hernandez, who originally auditioned for the show in San Diego on July 30, 2007, has never been referred to as a stripper or former stripper during the competition. Last week, he earned rave reviews from the judges after his performance of The Temptations' "Papa Was a Rolling Stone."
On a video posted on AmericanIdol.com, Hernandez said he broke the lease on his apartment and lived out of his car before auditioning for "Idol." And, when asked in a Q&A posted on the site which talent would he would most like to have if he couldn't sing, Hernandez responded: "Dancing! I'm horrible at that."
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Hernandez to stay on 'Idol' despite past
By DERRIK J. LANG, AP Entertainment Writer 33 minutes ago
David Hernandez won't be stripped of his chance to compete on "American Idol." A person close to the show, who is not authorized to comment publicly and asked not to be identified, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that there were no plans to remove Hernandez from the Fox singing competition — despite the semifinalist's past as a male stripper.
The 24-year-old from Glendale, Ariz., once worked as an adult entertainer at Dick's Cabaret in Phoenix, appearing fully nude and performing lap dances for the club's "mostly male" clientele, strip club manager Gordy Bryan told the AP on Monday.
In 2003, semifinalist Frenchie Davis was dismissed from "Idol" because of her appearance on an adult Web site, but Antonella Barba remained in the competition last year after racy photos of her surfaced on the Internet. The source who confirmed that Hernandez will remain said Davis' situation was different because of the site's age-themed content.
Fox and the producers declined to comment on Hernandez, who was scheduled to perform a song from the '80s in a live telecast Tuesday with the other male singers as the semifinalists are narrowed down this week to the final 12 contestants. All the singers, including Hernandez, have been unavailable for interviews.
Dick's Cabaret manager Bryan said he was aware that Hernandez was a vocalist, but that Hernandez never sang at the club. Bryan said he now believes Hernandez stopped working at the strip club on Sept. 30, 2007, because of his participation in "Idol."
Hernandez, who originally auditioned for the show in San Diego on July 30, 2007, has never been referred to as a stripper or former stripper during the competition. Last week, he earned rave reviews from the judges after his performance of The Temptations' "Papa Was a Rolling Stone."
On a video posted on AmericanIdol.com, Hernandez said he broke the lease on his apartment and lived out of his car before auditioning for "Idol." And, when asked in a Q&A posted on the site which talent would he would most like to have if he couldn't sing, Hernandez responded: "Dancing! I'm horrible at that."
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http://www.americanidol.com/
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OBAMA
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The stuff in purple is part of the original article from Newsmax. The comments in red are mine. This man has been knighted/anointed by part at least part of the Kennedy clan as the successor to John F. Kennedy. For all his faults (including not being able to keep his pants zipped) JFK did have some substance to him. He was a genuine war hero and was groomed to go into public service. He was cut down way too early in life and it would have been interesting to see what may have developed had he not been shot down. With Obama I do not sense any greatness about him. To me he is just another pretty faced, slick tongued snake oil salesman.
And now he seems to want to rework the Bible in his own image. Is supposed to be Jesus Christ reincarnated? I don’t think so. Let us stick with the fallen by the wayside Methodist that we all love to hate and send this kid back to Illinois.
Obama: Sermon on Mount OKs Same-Sex Unions
Monday, March 3, 2008 8:04 AM
By: Terence P. Jeffrey Article Font Size
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sunday that he believes the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions. He also told the crowd that his position in favor of legalized abortion does not make him "less Christian."
"I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state," said Obama. "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." (See video here) St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans condemns homosexual acts as unnatural and sinful.
Obama's mention of the Sermon on the Mount in justifying legal recognition of same-sex unions may have been a reference to the Golden Rule: "Do to others what you would have them do to you." Or it may have been a reference to another famous line: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
The Sermon, recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, includes the Lord's Prayer, the Beatitudes, an endorsement of scriptural moral commandments ("anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"), and condemnations of murder, divorce and adultery. It also includes a warning: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
Obama himself??? I would still prefer a fallen by the wayside Methodist (Hillary) to a UCCer whose pastor is a blatant racist. Mr O was endorsed by one of the biggest black racist/bigots of the 1960s and ‘70s the Rev(?) Farrakhan. Much to his credit Mr O rejected the endorsement.
He is a half assed politician and now he wants to be a half assed evangelical and re-write the Bible? The scary part is that he is probably reaching a vast majority of empty headed people who have never been exposed to the Bible in a positive way.
The passage from St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, which Obama dismissed as "obscure," discusses people who knew God but turned against him.
"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised," wrote St. Paul. "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
On the topic of abortion, Obama said his support for keeping it legal does not trespass on his Christian faith.
"I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view," Obama said about abortion. "Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."
Obama opened his town-hall-type meeting at the college with a short speech and then provided lengthy answers to a handful of questions. One questioner, Leon Forte, a Protestant clergyman, asked Obama about evangelical Christians who were concerned about his position on issues that conservatives consider "litmus tests."
"Your campaign sets a quandary for most evangelical Christians because I believe that they believe in the social agenda that you have, but they have a problem in what the conservatives have laid out as the moral litmus tests as to who is worthy and who is not," said Forte. "So, I will ask you to speak to those two questions."(See transcript)
Obama volunteered that he believed Forte was talking about abortion and homosexual marriage, and then he gave answers on both issues that were not as explicit as positions he has staked out on these issues in other venues. Last Thursday, for example, as reported by Cybercast News Service, Obama published on his Web site an "open letter concerning LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) equality in America."
In that letter, Obama said he favored same-sex unions that were equal to marriage--including adoption rights--and that he was open to states codifying same-sex marriages.
"As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws," Obama said in the letter. "I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples--whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage."
In Ohio on Sunday, before mentioning the Sermon on the Mount, Obama insisted he was against "gay marriage" and did not mention his support for allowing same-sex couples to adopt children and have the same "family" status as heterosexual couples.
"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them," said Obama on Sunday. "So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view."
Obama also has been more aggressive in framing his pro-abortion position previously than he was on Sunday. When he was in the Illinois Senate, for example, he repeatedly opposed a bill that would have defined as a "person" a baby who had survived an induced-labor abortion and was born alive.
In a 2001 Illinois Senate floor speech about that bill, he argued that to call a baby who survived an abortion a "person" would give it equal protection rights under the 14th Amendment and would give credibility to the argument that the same child inside its mother's womb was also a "person" and thus could not be aborted.
When the Illinois Senate bill was amended to make it identical to a federal law that included language to protect Roe v. Wade--and that the U.S. Senate voted unanimously to pass--Obama still opposed the bill, voting it down in the Illinois Senate committee he chaired.
Yet, in Ohio on Sunday, Obama depicted abortion as a tragedy to be avoided, while being kept legal.
"On the issue of abortion, that is always a tragic and painful issue," he said. "I think it is always tragic, and we should prevent it as much as possible .... But I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view. Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."
Before discussing his views on same-sex unions and abortion, Obama told the crowd he was a "devout Christian."
"In terms of my faith, there has been so much confusion that has been deliberately perpetrated through emails and so forth, so here are the simple facts," he said. "I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I have been a member of the same church for 20 years, pray to Jesus every night, and try to go to church as much as I can when they are not working me. Used to go quite often.
"These days, we haven't been at the home church--I haven't been home on Sunday--for several months now. So, my faith is important to me. It is not something that I try to push on other people. But it is something that helps to guide my life and my values."
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